First, I have no idea. It's not my job or area of knowledge or expertise and as a consumer it's something I would expect to be told and shown from a producer such as UM.
You keep suggesting they should have “done more work” as it were.
Let’s start at the very beginning.
For years I have tried to get multiple companies to make a 4” muzzle forward, sub 11oz, 1.5” diameter OTB can in 30cal that is sub 140 dBA SE. In all cases it was rejected as there was “no real way” to get those specs.
Then, when US started, they were willing to do it.
The original design parameters were:
4” muzzle forward
4” reflex
Sub 140 dBA SE
30cal
10’ish ounces
Through over 60 different printed designs and models, that all was achieved- something that multiple good suppressor companies said would not happen. Not only that, it got down to 132-134 dBA SE. That’s way under the stated goal.
There is not a single company that makes hunting suppressors that designs, builds, tests, and iterates like US. What you get is companies that make a design, shoot it a couple of times then say that’s it. No testing, no actual iterating, nothing. Just BS the consumer- they even admit that haven’t or “won’t actually test their cans “because it will ruin a demo” can. And people eat it up. Then those same people “just can’t understand” why products break and fail- ala Scythe, and others.
I was asked to help them establish their “testing” and use cases so that doesn’t happen to US products- as I have done for other companies.
Second, I stand by my initial question of whether or not is right for a company to undercut their hyped, inagural product launch with a second and "way better" iteration right as initial customers are receiving their products
Again- how are you comparing a 30cal can to a 6.5mm can?
And, no one “hyped” anything. The OG does exactly what it was set out to do- read the lists above, then go look at the very first lists about it, the very first podcast about it, and let me know which aspect you believe it doesn’t meet.
But because I have been accused of being “biased” apparently I also need to eval cans. So not just scopes, actions, triggers, stocks, rangefinders, packs, clothing- I now have to get a sound meter kit to “show” that I am not lying.
. Everyone who has chimned in (outside of Q) has said they would rather have the OG 6.5. You can't argue with that Form.
Why do I care that they would rather have something now, that didn’t exist? That’s child level thinking. It didn’t exist. And it wasn’t for lack of testing or experimenting- NO hunting suppressor company has done more of that than US for their cans.
And that was my whole question here in the first place. Not trying to blow up a thread about whether UM is good or bad, or whether the OG is good or bad, but instead solely asking the question of whether or not there was anything
@Unknown Suppressors could do to help their intial supporters who are receiving an already inferior product.
How is it inferior? Dude- it’s exactly what it was set out to be. It is 30cal can, not 6.5m can. You are not even being surface level logical. A 30cal can MUST be able to take large 30cal cartridges safely. Making a 30cal can that is limited to 308 is a surefire way to have cans destroyed and get sued. The OG can take the largest 30cal cartridges made safely. It’s also sub 140dBA SE from 20” barreled 300Win mag. What is inferior about that?
Better- show a single better performing, by whatever metrics you want to use- 30cal 4” muzzle forward can.
Third, you make a valid point about "over and over" and for that i'll bow out of this thread on this. But first, I want to make myself clear once again that I don't believe "everyone is lying" and "it was all done on purpose" as you just implied. Every single one of my posts on this thread is consistent with the message that I believe UM has good intentions in all this. And it's because of my belief of
@Unknown Suppressors's good intentions that I posed the qeustion of whether or not there was anything they could do to help original OG owners upgrade to the new, way better iteration given how quickly it all happened. If any company would do something, I would expect it to be one of the good ones like UM. That is all, I'm out..
Why do you care? It’s weird that you don’t own one, but you feel like you need to keep suggesting it’s F’ed up that something different is made later, and keep asking UM to give something away? I would say this if it was about any company- unless a product performs widely below what they stated, asking them to “give” anything to anyone is absurd.