Unknown suppressors OG testing

[Presswood_936]

Man, I’m just wondering what everyone does for work to have this much disposable income. Everyone is buying all of these products on Rokslide the first day they’re announced. It took me 2 years to decide on what suppressor I wanted for my hunting rifle.

Also just a big lesson learned for folks, be patient with your money. That way you can avoid being the guinea pig for all of these new products regardless of who makes it.

That’s exactly why I’m making such a big deal of it $1200 may not be crap to me , but it may be a huge investment to somebody else . I don’t want people to get caught up in the hype and be let down like I’ve seen time and again in the silencer world .

 

[HNTR918]

Send it to Pewscience!

 

[JGRaider]

They also really need to partner with silencershop. They'll sell twice as many with this arrangement.

 

[Timjohnson11]

I'm no moderator but I don't love that this has divulged into an argument about the integrety and honesty of a company. Especially one featuring the likes of Ryan, Jake, and (unofficially?) Form. I'm sure they aint perfect, none of us are, but I believe they've done enough to deserve a bit of the benefit of doubt here and I very much doubt they would knowingly mislead.

The reality is that regardless of whether or not the OG is a good can or a bad can, @Unknown Suppressors should have done more product testing and refinement before their very-much hyped, inagural product launch. You absolutly cannot drop a new iteration of the product (OG 6.5) that by their own self admission performs "way better" (on everything outside of a 30 cal) within the timeline they did here. I don't care that it is a net positive for us who held off on buying an OG, it is i) unfair to their initial supporters, ii) signals a lack of confidence in their original belief/conviction in the OG, and iii) is potentially an adverse headwind to the goodwill of the individuals behind UM. I don't own an OG so I will not get into the debate of whether it is a good can or a bad can. However, the optics of @Unknown Munitions rushing to market with the OG 6.5 so quickly leads me to question whether their beliefs and philosophies behind the OG were as watertight as they originally believed them to be. Again, this is just the reality of the optics here, not the definitive answer of whether the OG is a good can or a bad can..

And while I believe @Unknown Suppressors fumbled the ball out of the gate, the reality is they area new company with good intentions that is just trying to find their way and refine their philosophy around what is the best silencer for our specific use case. I'm hopeful the OG 6.5 is a stellar can and we look back on this as a speed bump, nothing more.

 

[MagnumHntr]

You absolutly cannot drop a new iteration of the product (OG 6.5) that by their own self admission performs "way better" (on everything outside of a 30 cal) within the timeline they did here. I don't care that it is a net positive for us who held off on buying an OG, it is unfair to their initial supporters and signals a lack of confidence in their original belief/conviction in the OG.

The OG and the OG6.5 are two completely different cans! Two different purposes. The original description on the OG was exactly what it said it is...

 

[wind gypsy]

The reality is that regardless of whether or not the OG is a good can or a bad can, @Unknown Suppressors should have done more product testing and refinement before their very-much hyped, inagural product launch. You absolutly cannot drop a new iteration of the product (OG 6.5) that by their own self admission performs "way better" (on everything outside of a 30 cal) within the timeline they did here. I don't care that it is a net positive for us who held off on buying an OG, it is unfair to their initial supporters and signals a lack of confidence in their original belief/conviction in the OG. I don't own an OG so I will not get into the debate of whether it is a good can or a bad can. However, the optics of @Unknown Munitions rushing to market with the OG 6.5 so quickly leads me to question whether their beleives and philosophies behind the OG were as watertight as they originally viewed them to be. Again, this is just the reality of the optics here..

And while I believe @Unknown Suppressors fumbled the ball out of the gate, the reality is they area new company with good intentions that is just trying to find their way and refine their philosophy around what is the best silencer for our specific use case. I'm hopeful the OG 6.5 is a stellar can and we look back on this as a speed bump, nothing more.

I disagree with anything being unfair. Are they supposed to perpetually develop cans and not sell them because they might just come up with something better in the future? They built a suppressor that people were clamoring for. They sold it to willing buyers. If i buy a new pickup and 3 months later they hype a much improved version, it's not "unfair" as i made the best decision i could at the time of purchase. Whether they oversold the suppression or tone is a different discussion but i bet they have equipment that can make it read what they advertised.

There's a very high chance of better cans hitting the market every year. If someone is going to get butt hurt about that dont buy a suppressor or accept that your purchase timing may not end up being optimal. Like timing the stock market, good freakin luck.

 

[JGRaider]

I don't think hunters in general are clamoring for 4" cans. I'd guess, and it is a guess, that the vast majority of hunters want "quiet", which is the whole idea behind buying one in the first place.....sound suppression.

 

[Timjohnson11]

The OG and the OG6.5 are two completely different cans! Two different purposes. The original description on the OG was exactly what it said it is...

Yes two very different cans in that one is "way better" at doing pretty everything the other does outside of i) running 30 cals, and ii) burning down mags on semi-auto SBRs. I'm not saying their isn't a role for 30 cal surpressors or surpressors designed for absolute industructibility. But based on UM's marketing of the two cans, those are the the only differences, and with that, I can't help but assume that the vast majority of OG purchases would seemingly be way better off with the OG 6.5.. Further, almost much every OG owner who has chimned in (satisified or not) has said that in hindsite they would prefer the OG 6.5 (I think Q is the only one who hasn't...).

I strongly disagree. "Unfair"? Are they supposed to perpetually develop cans and not sell them because they might just come up with something better in the future? They built a suppressor that people were clamoring for. They sold it to willing buyers. Whether they oversold the suppression or tone is a different discussion but i bet they have equipment that can make it read what they advertised.

There's a very high chance of better cans hitting the market every year. If someone is going to get butt hurt about that dont buy a suppressor or accept that your purchase timing may not end up being optimal. Like timing the stock market, good freakin luck.

Again, I'm not saying companies shouldn't innovate and come up with better products. I've literally applauded UM for that multiple times throughout this thread.. However, when the timeline between the first iteration and a second "way better" iteration is only 2 months, it invites criticism of whether or not it is "innovation" or just a lack of proper product testing/refinement in the first place. This is the reality of the optics here, right or wrong.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I don't think hunters in general are clamoring for 4" cans. I'd guess, and it is a guess, that the vast majority of hunters want "quiet", which is the whole idea behind buying one in the first place.....sound suppression.

The excitement over the Airlock suggests otherwise. As does the fact that it sold out almost immediately. A lot of people worry that chopping a couple of inches off the rifle barrel is a huge deal, but they don’t want to carry 28-36” long rifles in the field. So, they try to keep the barrel longer or use magnum cartridges to “get enough velocity from a short barrel.” I think it is safe to say that - price being equal - most hunters would like to have the shortest, quietest, lightest can that can be safely used with their hunting rifle.


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[atmat]

I'm no moderator but I don't love that this has divulged into an argument about the integrety and honesty of a company. Especially one featuring the likes of Ryan, Jake, and (unofficially?) Form. I'm sure they aint perfect, none of us are, but I believe they've done enough to deserve a bit of the benefit of doubt here and I very much doubt they would knowingly mislead.

The reality is that regardless of whether or not the OG is a good can or a bad can, @Unknown Suppressors should have done more product testing and refinement before their very-much hyped, inagural product launch. You absolutly cannot drop a new iteration of the product (OG 6.5) that by their own self admission performs "way better" (on everything outside of a 30 cal) within the timeline they did here. I don't care that it is a net positive for us who held off on buying an OG, it is i) unfair to their initial supporters, ii) signals a lack of confidence in their original belief/conviction in the OG, and iii) is potentially an adverse headwind to the goodwill of the individuals behind UM. I don't own an OG so I will not get into the debate of whether it is a good can or a bad can. However, the optics of @Unknown Munitions rushing to market with the OG 6.5 so quickly leads me to question whether their beliefs and philosophies behind the OG were as watertight as they originally believed them to be. Again, this is just the reality of the optics here, not the definitive answer of whether the OG is a good can or a bad can..

And while I believe @Unknown Suppressors fumbled the ball out of the gate, the reality is they area new company with good intentions that is just trying to find their way and refine their philosophy around what is the best silencer for our specific use case. I'm hopeful the OG 6.5 is a stellar can and we look back on this as a speed bump, nothing more.

Eh, this is your opinion. It could’ve been the OG was perfect and had everyone waited, they would’ve gone out of business before you got one.

They released a product. They continued to release more. That’s literally how business ownership works.

People have gotten too used to companies like Apple who release on cycles. But that’s silly. If you have a much-proved product, you should release now. If you don’t have a much-improved product, you shouldn’t release just to satisfy your “cycle updates”.

If you wait till the perfect product you’ll miss out on years of good products.

Example: I want the RS Lite, but I’m glad to have had two years of hunts with the RS.

 

[ElPollo]

I don't think hunters in general are clamoring for 4" cans. I'd guess, and it is a guess, that the vast majority of hunters want "quiet", which is the whole idea behind buying one in the first place.....sound suppression.

A lot of people want short, light cans. Most people end up not liking them much because physics.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I don't think hunters in general are clamoring for 4" cans. I'd guess, and it is a guess, that the vast majority of hunters want "quiet", which is the whole idea behind buying one in the first place.....sound suppression.

As I reflect more on this, I think you are right. Most folks would probably have been happier with the Reaper as the first US/UM suppressor. A “3d-printed Scythe that isn’t dangerous” would probably have sold just as well, if not better.

I definitely would have bought the Reaper back in June, but I am glad I got the OG.

For me, the OG has turned out to be perfect as a .30 caliber can. I like that I can use it on all my rifles, even if there are other cans out there that might be quieter on a specific rifle. My current suppressors are:

7.62 AB Raptor 10 w/5” reflex. As quiet as I could want and as heavy and long as I am willing to tolerate. My use case is for my shortest rifles (16-18”).
7.62 AB Raptor 8 w/3” reflex. My Goldilocks, middle of the road suppressor for 20” barrels.
7.62 OG - for my longest rifle barrels (21-24”).
7.62 Scythe Ti. Was supposed to be “my only center fire suppressor.” Now only used on 6.5 Grendel. Will be sold after January 1, 2026.
.223 Griffin Arms suppressor for my AR. Cheap and rugged.
Banish 22 x2 for my daughter and I to shoot together on our CZs.


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[wind gypsy]

I don't think hunters in general are clamoring for 4" cans. I'd guess, and it is a guess, that the vast majority of hunters want "quiet", which is the whole idea behind buying one in the first place.....sound suppression.

Of course they are if they suppress enough. Get to ultra7'ish suppression and make it shorter/lighter seems to be the trick. The Air lock and OG haven't gotten this attention for nothing.

 

[JGRaider]

That's the issue.....they don't suppress enough.

 

[omicron1792]

I’ve been saying it since the beginning. It has to start with suppression. THEN tweak the other parameters.

That said I think it’s cool they can 3d print the cams and rapidly improve them. Great time for buying suppressors is upon us.

 

[ACHILLES]

The wants and needs of each individual will vary. I’m personally interested in these new short ultra light cans. The reaper and airlock both have great specs. If I was having one custom made I’d like a 2”x5” ultra light. I’ve seen many ppl complain about seeing 1.8” di cans in the scope. With low rings and a lpvo it’s never been a problem for me with a 1.8” can. I will say at 1x it’s starts to come in the picture quite a bit, but it’s still in no way a hinderance to my shooting.

 

[RockAndSage]

I don't care that it is a net positive for us who held off on buying an OG, it is i) unfair to their initial supporters, ii) signals a lack of confidence in their original belief/conviction in the OG, and iii) is potentially an adverse headwind to the goodwill of the individuals behind UM.

However, the optics of @Unknown Munitions rushing to market with the OG 6.5 so quickly leads me to question whether their beliefs and philosophies behind the OG were as watertight as they originally believed them to be.

These two quotes of yours here actually strike me as a pretty unfair interpretation.

These guys aren't Sig corporate execs, or private equity suits. What they are, are a handful of hunters and shooters running small businesses who are just trying to do the right thing by their own tribe. Who, on occasion, might not be marketing Machiavellis likely to see how people can/could/will misinterpret things.

What's more likely here?

Version 1: Let's f*ck everyone!

or...

Version 2: Let's get everyone the best suppressors we can as fast as we can! Wait...why are some guys pissed about this?

 

[RockAndSage]

Here's something closer to what probably happened:

R&D of .30cal OG: "WOW, we just went through 70+ iterations to produce the best hunting .30cal can on the market...the kind of thing we'd want for ourselves, but couldn't get before this because nobody else made what we wanted personally. This thing is absolutely awesome! Can't wait to get it out there to people, especially in time for hunting season!"

Followed by...

R&D of 6.5 can: "Oh, holy sh*t, this new 6.5 variant is KILLER! It might have taken another dozen iterations, but can't believe we just had this breakthrough. The 6.5 guys are going to be thrilled...gotta get this out to everyone who wants one so they can have it for this upcoming season, it's only a few weeks away! Everyone's going to be super happy about this!"

 

[bpitcher]

I like my OG. It does exactly what I wanted it to - Make hunting hearing safe and improve the balance and portability of the rifle. I never expected it to be a miracle, just an incremental improvement on my existing cans.

It does suck that the 6.5 dropped so quickly after the 30 cal, but it is what it is. That is the downside of being an early adopter. Maybe I'll pick one up down the road sometime.

 

[Formidilosus]

However, when the timeline between the first iteration and a second "way better" iteration is only 2 months, it invites criticism of whether or not it is "innovation" or just a lack of proper product testing/refinement in the first place.

Can you say what you believe proper testing and refinement of a novel suppressor design would be?

This is the reality of the optics here, right or wrong.

Optics- and then answered repeatedly. And then you continuing to say it over and over in the face of reality. Unless, you believe everyone is lying and it was all done on purpose?