Unknown suppressors OG testing

[PLhunter]

Other than a 19-20” 300win most of my chamberings are smaller and more alike than different. As far as weight and length most of my cans are more alike than different too. The only one I’ve used that I could certainly tell a difference was a friends Hyperion. I don’t have any equipment but on the 300 I could tell a difference in sound and recoil both. On my 260 ctr I could tell a difference but not as much. On 223AI I think I could tell a difference but again not near as much. Nothing scientific or even accurate about my findings but leads me to believe size matters. In both cartridge size and suppressor volume. I said all that nonsense to say maybe one of the future models might be larger/more volume but possibly not add as much length as the Hyperion does. Maybe with OTB it would also balance a bit better for its size? Just kinda thinking out loud while setting at work waiting on a call….lol.

My only can atm is the infamous banish 30. I’ve ran it in both 7 inch and 9 inch mode and so I’ve been able to compare the difference and it’s substantial. It’s currently stuck in 9 inch mode much to my chagrin. On my 24 inch barreled rifle it’s crazy long. But also shooting subs I have enjoyed the ability to clean. So it has its place.

I like what they’ve done with the OG and the OGL. Subtract the L and add in the replaceable caps for a brake and I’ll be in at some point soon. I don’t have a quiver of cans so I’m going with the AB raptor 8 first, if it ever arrives. Seems to be the very best do it all can. Capable of being super light. Not super long. very good suppression with the ability for adding even better suppression.

The OG w/caps will certainly have a use for me. The suppression for length is extremely impressive and what some people seem to be missing. I just don’t have a can already that fits the super light and really quiet bill yet. My single shot contender has me really enjoying shorter handier guns and seeing their merits even in open country. Setting it up on a shooting position without a long lever arm adding torque is so much quicker and easier. The balance point makes up more of the gun.

 

[ztc92]

Building my Sons hunting AR specifically to be able to accept the US OG. Kind of a a modern day Mk12 SPR but with a 13.9” 6mm ARC barrel and appropriate length MLOK Rail.

Just curious how this will work. SBR and direct thread or going to pin+weld a muzzle device to reach 16”?

 

[ztc92]

My only can’t atm is the infamous banish 30. I’ve ran it in both 7 inch and 9 inch mode and so I’ve been able to very much compare the difference. It’s currently stuck in 9 inch mode much to my chagrin. On my 24 inch barreled rifle it’s crazy long. But also shooting subs I have enjoyed the ability to clean. So it has its place.

I like what they’ve done with the OG and the OGL. Subtract the L and add in the replaceable caps for a brake and I’ll be in at some point soon. I don’t have a quiver of cans so I’m going with the AB raptor 8 first, if it ever arrives. Seems to be the very best do it all can. Capable of being super light. Not super long. very good suppression with the ability for adding even better suppression.

The OG w/caps will certainly have a use for me. The suppression for length is extremely impressive and what some people seem to be missing. I just don’t have a can already that fits the super light and really quiet bill yet. My single shot contender has me really enjoying shorter handier guns and seeing their merits even in open country. Setting it up on a shooting position without a long lever arm adding torque is so much quicker and easier. The balance point makes up more of the gun.

A friend had a banish 30 get seized up in the 9” configuration. Nothing he/we tried could get it apart. A gunsmith was able to seperate it easily using a strap wrench and a barrel vise. You might look into that, should only take a few minutes and minimal cost.

 

[Joe_K]

Just curious how this will work. SBR and direct thread or going to pin+weld a muzzle device to reach 16”?

Just curious how this will work. SBR and direct thread or going to pin+weld a muzzle device to reach 16”?

Those Level IV Plates Officer Friendly?

 

[RockAndSage]

Building my Sons hunting AR specifically to be able to accept the US OG. Kind of a a modern day Mk12 SPR but with a 13.9” 6mm ARC barrel and appropriate length MLOK Rail.

I mentioned something about using it on an AR as well, and Form made it very clear that the backpressure of this particular design wouldn't be good fit.

 

[PLhunter]

A friend had a banish 30 get seized up in the 9” configuration. Nothing he/we tried could get it apart. A gunsmith was able to seperate it easily using a strap wrench and a barrel vise. You might look into that, should only take a few minutes and minimal cost.

Yeah, I broke my strap wrench trying to remove it! My gunsmith says he has a special tool for them. Next time I’m going to use my muzzleloader breech plug thread grease on it.

 

[TNHighlands]

Building my Sons hunting AR specifically to be able to accept the US OG. Kind of a a modern day Mk12 SPR but with a 13.9” 6mm ARC barrel and appropriate length MLOK Rail.

Would love to see pics once this is all put together.

 

[Ajsomp]

I mentioned something about using it on an AR as well, and Form made it very clear that the backpressure of this particular design wouldn't be good fit.

If you are looking for a modern mk12 can, check out Front of Rifle systems. They just released their mk 12 can

 

[Presswood_936]

We don’t know that it has better suppression than a raptor 4 with 4 reflex.

I own an raptor 4 with a reflex , no way the OG is louder

 

[Formidilosus]

I mentioned something about using it on an AR as well, and Form made it very clear that the backpressure of this particular design wouldn't be good fit.

Further use, and a slight redesign of the baffles has changed that I believe. We have multiple cans on multiple AR’s with no issues.

 

[RockAndSage]

Further use, and a slight redesign of the baffles has changed that I believe. We have multiple cans on multiple AR’s with no issues.

Now that's just ten kinds of awesome, and very good to know.

 

[longrangelead]

I just spent the week at a S2H course surrounded by suppressors. Every size, shape and configuration including the OG and several prototypes and test cans.

To qualify my experience, I'll say I haven't been interested in suppressors specifically because they have added so much length to a rifle until recently.

In my opinion, the OG checks the boxes that matter to me in buying a can. I will have an OTB can asap.

As far as tone vs decibel, tone is a thing.
During the past week, we shot in 3 different locations in the hills surrounding the S2H range.
With 16 people spread out, it was quickly apparent some cans simply suck and others dissipate muzzle noise extremely well.

The debate keeps coming back to decibels at the shooter. While that matters to the shooter, a hunting can also matters down range.
In the rocky and treed canyons we were in, big MF cans and the OG sounded about the same from 100yds with any terrain or trees in between the gun and my ears.

The best example was a large open canyon we shot in Friday. Shooters were strung out along the canyon rim for 500 yds in kind of a big "S".
For the sake of brevity, ill simply say the OG's and big MF cans were barely distinguishable at distance. often the bullet impact was loud enough the muzzle report wasn't heard.
Several shots passed in front of me from right to left impacting on my left. The passing crack of the bullet and impact made the "boof" of the OG's report impossible to pinpoint. I can see how animals would respond to the crack and impact and run towards the shooter because the muzzle report is so subdued it seems MUCH further away.

 

[CoWapiti]

Interesting thread, and an interesting design. I have the old school reflex suppressor, made by Allen Engineering (previously OPS inc). The design of the OG is interesting in that it seems like the rear end of the suppressor may or may not contact the barrel (depending on OD/profile). With the old AE can, the taper in the back of the can mates to either a collar or a profile machined into the barrel which provides another point of contact. I've really loved that suppressor. Even though its heavy, it has phenomenal suppression and is indestructible. I'm curious how the contact or lack thereof may impact POI shifts on various rifles, especially knowing factory barrels can have less than perfect threading at the muzzle.

I really like that the OG doesnt require the custom collar/profile to be machined into a barrel. I love my AE can, but its a bit of a hassle to get new rifles set up for it. Can't wait for more to be in the wild, and hopefully I can find someone near colorado springs who will let me listen to them shoot!

 

[omicron1792]

It seems like from my reading that a lot of overseas OTB cans do just that, contact the barrel at a point. This seems to be for rigidity and to prevent baffle strikes.

However, it has to change the harmonics of the barrel. I think the smaller OTB cans without a rear contact will be much better long term.

 

[JGRaider]

I couldn't care less what the can sounds like at 500 yards. My concern is what is sounds like when I pull the trigger. YMMV.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I couldn't care less what the can sounds like at 500 yards. My concern is what is sounds like when I pull the trigger. YMMV.

What it sounds like to the target is definitely a secondary consideration for me. How it sounds to me is the critical part.


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[Kaleb]

The sound downrange may be secondary to me too but I sure appreciate the fella taking his time to share that first hand information with us. It’s more than I’ve contributed to the topic and certainly worth more than all the negative comments about it from guys who aren’t even buying one…lol.

Not meant to be a dig at you Q you’re actually buying one.

 

[JGRaider]

The sound downrange may be secondary to me too but I sure appreciate the fella taking his time to share that first hand information with us. It’s more than I’ve contributed to the topic and certainly worth more than all the negative comments about it from guys who aren’t even buying one…lol.

Not meant to be a dig at you Q you’re actually buying one.

How do you know who's buying one? I may yet still wind up with one, after I see more testing/data from other sources.

 

[Kaleb]

I don’t know if you are or not. Several people have shared that they are not buying them or not yet. Q has one on order. That’s all I know or meant. I do know that some people have had nothing positive at all to add or say through this whole thread. I just wanted to point out I was appreciative of the gentleman who shared his first hand experience about the suppressor we’re all talking about

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Yes, I am appreciative of all the feedback thus far too. And, as soon as I get mine, I will be heading out to shoot it alongside my Scythe Ti. That’s my only comparison point right now.


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