Unknown suppressors OG testing

[wind gypsy]

I've been gently following this, lots of info shared on podcasts and forum threads but I wouldn't say they shared more than others unequivocally. TBAC silencer summit is a different level. I've not seen anything on cartridge/barrel length restrictions, not published on the website at least. That's certainly something TBAC does. I'd be fine ordering one with what has been shared but I'd go into it with some skepticism on overall suppression levels to avoid being disappointed.

I have a raptor 4 with a 3” reflex , I’ll compare it to my OG when it comes in .

This is what I'd think is most valid comparison from a weight/performance standpoint. Maybe 0.7" further in front of muzzle on the 4 stack and should be within an ounce of OG if one is going off printed specs?

 

[omicron1792]

I've been gently following this, lots of info shared on podcasts and forum threads but I wouldn't say they shared more than others unequivocally. TBAC silencer summit is a different level. I've not seen anything on cartridge/barrel length restrictions, not published on the website at least. That's certainly something TBAC does. I'd be fine ordering one with what has been shared but I'd go into it with some skepticism on overall suppression levels to avoid being disappointed.


This is what I'd think is most valid comparison from a weight/performance standpoint. Maybe 0.7" further in front of muzzle on the 4 stack and should be within an ounce of OG if one is going off printed specs?

I agree for a direct head to head comparison.

However, the raptor 8 is a known commodity with great sound suppression with 6.3” in front of barrel. Moving to a new suppressor to lose 2.3” of barrel length with increased sound is the real question people have to ask.

AB has been the leader in America for OTB supressors. It doesn’t seem like many here have trumpeted the OTB part until this RSS suppressor, now it’s the bees knees.

 

[Brontosaurus]

I agree for a direct head to head comparison.

However, the raptor 8 is a known commodity with great sound suppression with 6.3” in front of barrel. Moving to a new suppressor to lose 2.3” of barrel length with increased sound is the real question people have to ask.

AB has been the leader in America for OTB supressors. It doesn’t seem like many here have trumpeted the OTB part until this RSS suppressor, now it’s the bees knees.

AB cans started popping on RS conversations in 2021ish. They have been universally liked by all who use them. Roksliders liking OTB cans is nothing new.

 

[omicron1792]

AB cans started popping on RS conversations in 2021ish. They have been universally liked by all who use them. Roksliders liking OTB cans is nothing new.

As an owner of one that’s been here a while and posted about them a lot here, I disagree.

Yes, there have been people say good things about AB raptor cans here. But minimally about the reflex portion. With the OG you have people coming out acting like they just discovered them. An exception is @Formidilosus. He has always spoken highly of OTB and raptors that I have seen.

Wasn’t even really my point anyways. I think comparing OG to known well liked cans is the comparison that makes the most sense. Not to just cans that are OTB and only 4” long. There aren’t many in that category. People will eventually decide if having a shorter can outweighs increased suppression. And what is the cutoff point where there is diminishing returns.

Question I have for @Formidilosus. You call this a hunting can. But you obviously shoot thousands of rounds a year. Will this be your go to can for all shooting, or will you still use a longer can for long sessions shooting targets?

 

[Macintosh]

I am not getting an OG right now, mostly because Im simply not an early adopter of anything, but Im 100% the person its aimed at. To me barrel length and the amount of weight hanging off the end of a long lever (my barrel) are as important to me as sound suppression is, maybe more so. Even knowing the available 4-5” cans are not hearing safe, Im STILL tempted to get a 5” can. I appreciate the shorter length in front of muzzle, and that it puts the weight further back toward the center of mass of the gun where it will affect balance and handling less. Im not interested in a big can, for a hunting gun I want the absolute shortest, lowest-profile, least affect on handling I can get, while achieving just barely enough suppression to not further destroy my hearing. Edit: because someone apparently misunderstood that statement, i am saying that if you like the idea of a tiny can, but want it to be hearing safe…that this can, if it does what it purports to do, might be for you. I just posted to say that the footprint of this can makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I am not getting an OG right now, mostly because Im simply not an early adopter of anything, but Im 100% the person its aimed at. To me barrel length and the amount of weight hanging off the end of a long lever (my barrel) are as important to me as sound suppression is, maybe more so. Even knowing the available 4-5” cans are not hearing safe, Im STILL tempted to get a 5” can. I appreciate the shorter length in front of muzzle, and that it puts the weight further back toward the center of mass of the gun where it will affect balance and handling less. Im not interested in a big can, for a hunting gun I want the absolute shortest, lowest-profile, least affect on handling I can get, while achieving just barely enough suppression to not further destroy my hearing. Just posted to say that the footprint of this can makes perfect sense to me.

I don't see the point in getting a can that isn't comfortably hearing safe. I'm not dead set on "the quietest can possible", but I do want a can that is "as quiet as possible within reasonable length/weight/diameter constraints."

It's okay to compare apples and oranges. Some days you want an apple and other days you want an orange. But when a manufacturer doesn't even list a decibel rating on the website (looking at AB here), it is hard to know what we are comparing.

I could see myself getting a long OTB can, like the AB Raptor 10, for the days when I am sitting on a hilltop shooting groundhogs or steel, but I am looking forward to getting the OG and trying it out for hunting.

I will also say that I appreciate everyone who has provided feedback on the OG and other suppressors in this thread.

 

[solarshooter]

Videos of shooting UM OG, Scythe and Harvester Evo as mentioned above. Titles should explain what each video shows.

Thanks for posting these and "showing" rather than "telling". It really sounds to me like the OG is the only can with any TING sound based on these videos. And also sounds louder than the Scythe. Understand the video audio doesn't capture reality perfectly but I'm curious if you can say more on this.

 

[wind gypsy]

I don't see the point in getting a can that isn't comfortably hearing safe. I'm not dead set on "the quietest can possible", but I do want a can that is "as quiet as possible within reasonable length/weight/diameter constraints."

It's okay to compare apples and oranges. Some days you want an apple and other days you want an orange. But when a manufacturer doesn't even list a decibel rating on the website (looking at AB here), it is hard to know what we are comparing.

I could see myself getting a long OTB can, like the AB Raptor 10, for the days when I am sitting on a hilltop shooting groundhogs or steel, but I am looking forward to getting the OG and trying it out for hunting.

I will also say that I appreciate everyone who has provided feedback on the OG and other suppressors in this thread.

What is "comfortably hearing safe" though? I never wore ear pro with bare muzzles when I hunted that way so it's pretty easy to do better than that.

 

[HighUintas]

Someone was very clear that the Scythe was not a good can the same month it came out- no one wanted to listen. Ironically, it has turned out to be a POS.

Was it you? I don't remember seeing anyone saying that the can would be trouble when it came out. I wish I saw it and took note. I am in the camp that wish I'd waited a bit longer to buy one.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

What is "comfortably hearing safe" though? I never wore ear pro with bare muzzles when I hunted that way so it's pretty easy to do better than that.

OSHA says, "Exposure to impulsive or impact noise should not exceed 140 dB peak sound pressure level." For my sake, I would prefer a hunting can meets at least that with any firearm, but I think it is good to have an additional safety factor. I won't always be shooting on a wide-open range. I trust US when they say 133-132 (I have to, it's not like I have any other choice than to trust them). For a hunting can, I want to be able to hear the natural environment and still take a shot that is under 140 db in any reasonable situation.

I will still wear hearing protection for sighting in and practice sessions, because OSHA also recommends hearing protection if you are going to be exposed to 115 db for 15 minutes.

Like you, I have fired plenty of unsuppressed rounds in my life, but I generally want to keep the hearing I have. I also don't want to hurt my dog's hearing. And I want to raise up my kid with better hearing protection than I had. My father was always fanatical about making us wear earplugs when shooting and double-hearing protection while driving tractors, but not when we went hunting. If I can do better for my kid, then I will.

I'm a late adopter of suppressors, but now that I have started using them, I am going all in. There's a very good chance that I am going to sell all my non-heirloom firearms that cannot be easily suppressed.

 

[solarshooter]

Was it you? I don't remember seeing anyone saying that the can would be trouble when it came out. I wish I saw it and took note. I am in the camp that wish I'd waited a bit longer to buy one.

Agreed, I read lots and lots of threads and reviews, on this forum and others, for months before buying mine. Didn't see failures until after I received mine. For the record, I don't regret my purchase at all, it performs great and has not come apart on me. And if it does, it seems like getting a replacement from SiCo is pretty trivial. I don't think I would buy another simply because I'd rather try something different. But it is a very high performance can for the weight and sounds great to my ear.

 

[omicron1792]

What is "comfortably hearing safe" though? I never wore ear pro with bare muzzles when I hunted that way so it's pretty easy to do better than that.

The lower the decibel level the better always for hearing.

Under 140 it is repetitive nature that causes hearing damage. If someone uses OG for only hunting without protection, and always uses ear muffs when practicing, then it is a non issue.

However, we know that’s not what people do.

 

[Formidilosus]

Question I have for @Formidilosus. You call this a hunting can. But you obviously shoot thousands of rounds a year. Will this be your go to can for all shooting, or will you still use a longer can for long sessions shooting targets?

No. For me it is the all around can. I won’t shoot any suppressor (even 338 cans) with super sonic ammo without ear protection for range use- there’s no reason to. There are certianly uses where a larger quieter can is preferred, but they are in general more specialized than normal hunting rifles. So too maybe smaller/louder cans. But again, they are specialized.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Was it you? I don't remember seeing anyone saying that the can would be trouble when it came out. I wish I saw it and took note. I am in the camp that wish I'd waited a bit longer to buy one.

I assume it was Form, but I certainly missed his comment.

I didn't purchase my Scythe as soon as it came out (I ordered mine in late September 2024), but I do know that it was before the reports about them exploding started cropping up.

 

[JGRaider]

Of course they did. And they are awesome. But, once you do so- weight goes up. Trying to sell a 15oz can for hunting is pretty hard.

I guess it all depends on what type of hunting is being done.

 

[JGRaider]

I am not getting an OG right now, mostly because Im simply not an early adopter of anything, but Im 100% the person its aimed at. To me barrel length and the amount of weight hanging off the end of a long lever (my barrel) are as important to me as sound suppression is, maybe more so. Even knowing the available 4-5” cans are not hearing safe, Im STILL tempted to get a 5” can. I appreciate the shorter length in front of muzzle, and that it puts the weight further back toward the center of mass of the gun where it will affect balance and handling less. Im not interested in a big can, for a hunting gun I want the absolute shortest, lowest-profile, least affect on handling I can get, while achieving just barely enough suppression to not further destroy my hearing. Just posted to say that the footprint of this can makes perfect sense to me.

Cans that aren't hearing safe make no sense to me as far as my purchases go no matter how long they are. Makes zero sense to me.

 

[Macintosh]

Cans that aren't hearing safe make no sense to me as far as my purchases go no matter how long they are. Makes zero sense to me.

That’s nice, but it’s not about you, so stop trying to make it about what YOU want. The entire point is that different people have different priorities, and not everyone wants the same combination of attributes. It’s only about YOU when the can IS what you want. I imagine there are other cans that more closely match what you’re looking for. Isnt it fantastc that we have so many choices?

Regardless, I think I was clear enough when I said “…while achieving just barely enough suppression to not further destroy my hearing”, ie hearing safe. That I have been tempted by the really small cans is only to illustrate that size and weight, or weight distribution, are of nearly equal importance to me as sound reduction. Ie if you like the IDEA of a really small suppressor, then this might (might) be a better mousetrap to achieve something in that direction, while still being hearing safe. That makes perfect sense to me.
If you or anyone else is going in the direction of a bigger can, well, then they didnt make this one for you. Perhaps the next one will be more what you are looking for.

 

[Salmon River Solutions]

All these arguments are *BAFFLING*...

Thanks for taking the time to test Dioni!


Ken

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

It's okay to compare apples and oranges. Some days you want an apple and other days you want an orange. But when a manufacturer doesn't even list a decibel rating on the website (looking at AB here), it is hard to know what we are comparing.

In their videos AB has stated that noise ratings are environmentally dependent and thus why they tend to show other known suppressors in the testing they show. The thunderbeast sound summit isn't perfect but its at least an attempt to have a bunch of cans tested in the same enviroment, same time, etc. Long story short I'm sure that is why AB doesn't list ratings on their site. If you email them they'll provide more numbers with the caveat that is what was measured in their test conditions.

All these arguments are *BAFFLING*...

Bravo sir. You are (or will be) an excellent father with puns like that locked and loaded.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

All these arguments are *BAFFLING*...

Thanks for taking the time to test Dioni!


Ken

Comments like this should be suppressed.


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