Unknown suppressors OG testing

[littlebigtine]

Or, " It's sort of like an AB Raptor 8 but louder". Another tidbit.....when you put the nice, lightweight suppressor sleeve on the Raptor the ribs go away. It's a miracle

Long hair cant hide that redneck boy

 

[JGRaider]

Wouldnt this be more similar to a AB 4 with a 4" reflex?

Apparently, which is even more baffling if true. I've never seen an AB4

 

[Dioni A]

Dimensionally I think it would fall closer to the raptor 2, which I’ve also never seen. The raptor 8 isn’t anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. In the interest of sharing as much information as possible. I grabbed all of the cans I could conveniently. Come to find out that was a bad idea giving people more information.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Dimensionally I think it would fall closer to the raptor 2, which I’ve also never seen. The raptor 8 isn’t anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. In the interest of sharing as much information as possible. I grabbed all of the cans I could conveniently. Come to find out that was a bad idea giving people more information.

No, it was helpful to share more information. I will say that mentioning the Raptor 8 as a comparison point threw me for a bit of a loop. I had not considered it as a hunting can because I missed the advantages of its reflex mount options. I'm not a "silence at any cost" type customer, I just want the easiest means to compare these items without having to pay someone else money for the comparisons.

I also missed a few threads and comments on here because I was working OT to make sure I had the discretionary funds to get a new .30 cal suppressor.

And apparently asking any questions on a forum for discussing firearms and equipment equates to trashing the product and complaining.

I am #1322.


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[Bluefish]

Apparently, which is even more baffling if true. I've never seen an AB4

They do make one in smaller calibers. I personally like my ab cans and wish they would do one in 45 cal. I can see the design case for the OG. Unfortunately that’s not my use case or I would consider one. Maybe when they do a 35 or 38 cal version.

I have a 3” and 5” reflex, yet usually run without when hunting to save weight as they are heavy. Also I mostly use single shot rifles which are naturally 2-3” shorter than a bolt action, so my rifles are not that long even with a 10 stack can.

 

[JGRaider]

Dimensionally I think it would fall closer to the raptor 2, which I’ve also never seen. The raptor 8 isn’t anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. In the interest of sharing as much information as possible. I grabbed all of the cans I could conveniently. Come to find out that was a bad idea giving people more information.

Why would you say that?

 

[Hondo64d]

I see most want to compare the OG to the Raptor 8, but it seems to me the Raptor 4 would be a more valid comparison.

John

 

[Dioni A]

Why would you say that?

It's over 50% longer in front of the barrel at 6.3 without reflex. The raptor 2 is 3.9 in front of the barrel. If I had access to a raptor 2 I would have loved to include that as it's the only real apples to apples comparison that exists. Although I would assume the og has substantially better suppression than the raptor 2 and likely also the longer 4.

 

[Mish-pop]

Dimensionally I think it would fall closer to the raptor 2, which I’ve also never seen. The raptor 8 isn’t anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. In the interest of sharing as much information as possible. I grabbed all of the cans I could conveniently. Come to find out that was a bad idea giving people more information.

I just want to say thank you for doing this @Dioni A. You did not have to post this information and the comparisons. I am not able to get a suppressor at this time as hunting funds are going elsewhere (like optic upgrades) but I really enjoy these real world tests. I plan to get a suppressor in the next couple years. Who knows what will be out by then but I'm just trying to keep up with info on a variety of subjects. I really like these tests and reviews you and a bunch of other guys complete on this site and really really appreciate it. We can't all be happy but the more information the better

 

[nm.otter]

My first can, glad I waited.

 

[Castle Rock]

Great idea! Probably why I already have one. No, not looking for recs, especially from you.

Has something happened in your life you to make you so bitter.
You used to seem like a decent bloke but now it seems like you are trying to cause a shitfight every time you get involved in a discussion.
Maybe you should take some time away from the computer, or at least find a place where you will fit in a bit better.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Has something happened in your life you to make you so bitter.
You used to seem like a decent bloke but now it seems like you are trying to cause a shitfight every time you get involved in a discussion.
Maybe you should take some time away from the computer, or at least find a place where you will fit in a bit better.

Yeah it’s bizarre reading some comments here. If the can isn’t your cup of tea then don’t get it, if you are concerned about the current data or being an early adopter then wait, if you would prefer some other variant then be patient and see what rolls out the door. They have indicated over time they plan to have more variants.

 

[4th_point]

got out camping this weekend and took just a few minutes to shoot over the sound meter. I was kind of surprised with the results. I set the sound meter up for max DB hold using the LPK format. This measures the absolute peak max sound pressure without doing any averaging or manipulation internally. Most acoustic sound meters would read something that is quieter than what I got unless similarly configured.

The cans tested are
Jk armamenk rcx 155 3 baffle configuration 5in
PWS BDE 556 Full stack 6.5in
AB A10 .308 6.5in
AB RAPTOR 8 3.5 reflex 9.5in oal 22cal
UM OG 4in reflex 8in oal

View attachment 887652
Sounds was measured roughly at shooters ear location.

Jk 155 138.7
PWS 134.3
AB A10 133.5
AB RAPTOR 8 127.6
UM OG 134.5
View attachment 887653

Good job, getting some measurements!

I do have some setup questions though, as the true peak might be underestimated by the settings. Or the test setup could make the measurements worse.

1. Sampling rate and pk rise time?
2. What mic?
3. Precision Class?
4. Calibrate before and after, by any chance?
5. Did Lpk really use A-weighting and Fast time response?
6. Does the Impulse response work?
7. All measurements done w/meter resting on the case? Where was the shooter?
8. Acoustic free field? Sorta kinda looks like it, but not enough shown.
9. Measurement with no muzzle device, by any chance?

Hate to put you on the spot, but those affect the results and how they should be interpreted. I've never used that meter and don't recognize the brand.

And as you may know, many meters underestimate impulse peaks to begin with, compared to a full blown analyzer/DAQ.

 

[NSI]

Good job, getting some measurements!

I do have some setup questions though, as the true peak might be underestimated by the settings. Or the test setup could make the measurements worse.

1. Sampling rate and pk rise time?
2. What mic?
3. Precision Class?
4. Calibrate before and after, by any chance?
5. Did Lpk really use A-weighting and Fast time response?
6. Does the Impulse response work?
7. All measurements done w/meter resting on the case? Where was the shooter?
8. Acoustic free field? Sorta kinda looks like it, but not enough shown.
9. Measurement with no muzzle device, by any chance?

Hate to put you on the spot, but those affect the results and how they should be interpreted. I've never used that meter and don't recognize the brand.

And as you may know, many meters underestimate impulse peaks to begin with, compared to a full blown analyzer/DAQ.

Are the relative values useful if the settings were not adjusted between tested cans? Many of us have a signature in mind from first hand experience with the chosen comparison cans.

-J

 

[Dioni A]

Good job, getting some measurements!

I do have some setup questions though, as the true peak might be underestimated by the settings. Or the test setup could make the measurements worse.

1. Sampling rate and pk rise time?
2. What mic?
3. Precision Class?
4. Calibrate before and after, by any chance?
5. Did Lpk really use A-weighting and Fast time response?
6. Does the Impulse response work?
7. All measurements done w/meter resting on the case? Where was the shooter?
8. Acoustic free field? Sorta kinda looks like it, but not enough shown.
9. Measurement with no muzzle device, by any chance?

Hate to put you on the spot, but those affect the results and how they should be interpreted. I've never used that meter and don't recognize the brand.

And as you may know, many meters underestimate impulse peaks to begin with, compared to a full blown analyzer/DAQ.

I’m sorry, but I’m not gonna get into this. This is semantics at best. Nobody else cares or would even understand any of this. I’m not paid to do any of this and this has gotten far enough into the weeds.

I'm not an acoustics expert. I had access to this equipment and have researched enough to use it to share comparison information.

Some of you guys really take for granted that there's a group of people on here who are using their own time and resources to provide information for you.

 

[4th_point]

I’m sorry, but I’m not gonna get into this. This is semantics at best. Nobody else cares or would even understand any of this. I’m not paid to do any of this and this has gotten far enough into the weeds.

I'm not an acoustics expert. I had access to this equipment and have researched enough to use it to share comparison information.

Some of you guys really take for granted that there's a group of people on here who are using their own time and resources to provide information for you.

I get it. I really do.

Testing shit ain't for everyone. Or reporting it. It's a big job. Actually two big jobs. Or three jobs, if post processing is needed.

But if you post numbers, especially against competitors' product, this just goes with the territory. There'll be questions - sorry!

 

[atmat]

I get it. I really do.

Testing shit ain't for everyone. Or reporting it. It's a big job. Actually two big jobs. Or three jobs, if post processing is needed.

But if you post numbers, especially against competitors' product, this just goes with the territory. There'll be questions - sorry!

You seem like you’re up for a big job. Actually two big jobs. Or three big jobs.

Would you buy the suppressor and provide the data to us that you’re seeking?

If you post incessantly about your particular skill set, especially when others are just trying to be helpful, there’ll be requests for you to do it instead — sorry!

 

[MT_Wyatt]

You seem like you’re up for a big job. Actually two big jobs. Or three big jobs.

Would you buy the suppressor and provide the data to us that you’re seeking?

If you post incessantly about your particular skill set, especially when others are just trying to be helpful, there’ll be requests for you to do it instead — sorry!

Have to agree with this. Demonstrate what “should” happen if there’s such a huge problem with it, don’t just sit on the sidelines.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This thread simply baffles me. People post here asking further questions and clearly looking to discuss the product’s merits and the responses range from passive aggressive to outright hostile.

I pre-ordered the OG despite this forum. I think some people need to take a look at what isn’t posted on the US website.

OG – Unknown Suppressors

unknownsuppressors.com

It looks like any other suppressor manufacturer’s website.

Now look at everything US puts on the website about the rigorous testing process:

Not one mention of how the tests were conducted. No links to pictures, videos, etc. not even a link to the podcasts discussing it. The website is the same kind of bland reassurance as every other suppressor manufacturer’s website. It comes down to “trust us, bro.”

If you only want to market to people who spend all their time on this forum, that is a choice. But when people go looking for the testing methodology, there’s no stickied links to any of this stuff. People are trying to buy a product. Make it easy.


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[Reburn]

This thread simply baffles me. People post here asking further questions and clearly looking to discuss the product’s merits and the responses range from passive aggressive to outright hostile.

Who is asking is more important as what is being asked.

4th_point loves to point out he is an "engineer" and wants to say how there is always a better way but refuses to do any work to help the forum. He is constantly running down any testing procedures he feels are inadaquate. Its just a power play for him to talk about how smart he thinks he is. He doesnt actually care about any of the information he is asking for.