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[RockAndSage]

So every single time you've used an airlock can for practice, the bolt has locked up? After how many rounds in a string? Does the issue resolve itself after the gun cools? Are you shooting hand loads?

Good questions, which you've already seen answered above. @mxgsfmdpx disappeared for a few months about the time you got on here, but he's one of the guys whose word on something is absolute gold.

As reference, he shoots centerfire rifle in volumes only a few of us even shoot in pistol:

Post in thread 'What did you do at the range today?'

Yesterday at 10:04 PM

300 rounds of 22 Creed and 300 rounds of 6 creed. Mix of factory and hand loads testing extreme temps and hunting ammo loads for any issues with two newer suppressors (both guns using OG-6S’s).

No fuss at 110 air temps and 120+ ground temps. Suppressors melting vet wrap and ground too hot to place bare arms on it for shooting.

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[lefthandedasian]

Well... I guess one could say the first handful of us who purchased were a little (di)stressed about this drop.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

You believe you are entitled to other peoples knowledge?

I get we’re all these guys sense your attitude.
I always support you on here and appreciate everything I’ve learned.
Why the **** would you respond like that.
Pretty uncalled for.
What a dick move.
It’s ****ing tape and and isn’t this fourm for sharing knowledge.

 

[Formidilosus]

O shit,here we go again.
I get we’re all these guys sense your attitude.

Oh no doubt. I give several lifetimes of information away constantly, and one of the few that tries to provide tangible evidence and data- to get constantly called a liar, biased, cursed at, and trolled; with zero evidence or intellectual honesty. Three people in this thread alone have done so.

I always support you on here.
Why the **** would you respond like that.
Pretty uncalled for.
What a dick move.
It’s ****ing tape and and isn’t this fourm for sharing knowledge.

If it’s just “****ing tape”- then learn it yourself- no big deal, right?

It was a serious question. This forum, and people in general have a very real sense of entitlement- “acting” as if you are owed information, not grateful that people are giving away a lifetime of work and only asking for honesty in return.

@TradLife406 simply stated he was trying to be respectful of that knowledge- and you said “Shouldn’t be secret,if it’s beneficial we should know about it”.
How is that not entitled thinking? “We should know?”

This is a constant deal on here from multiple people. It isn’t just about me- people act like they are OWED anything, versus just being decent about getting it.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Maybe you took it that way,look at my old post.
I have stated many times I’m going to attend s2h when I can get in.
I have no entitlement,when I come here to give the little input were I can and learn much more from others.
I shouldn’t have to wait years to get in or pay 3200 dollars to have the right to ask someone to share some info.
You could share every single bit of information or secrets in your class and you would still have a full class everytime.
Man you have many supporters on here so maybe understand that before you respond sometimes.
Alot of the time you have guys bust your balls because they just want a fight.I don’t.
I see your point.
I stand by my point.Hope you can see my point to.

 

[1000yards]

I shouldn’t have to wait years to get in or pay 3200 dollars to have the right to ask someone to share some info.

A right to ask for information is not the same thing as a right to have information. When you say someone should share information, that's not asking.

 

[Jimbee]

Are these supressors already printed and ready to go?

 

[Formidilosus]

A right to ask for information is not the same thing as a right to have information. When you say someone should share information, that's not asking.

Thank you. That is correct.

 

[AirlockIndustries]

Wanted to respond quickly to a few comments here.

First, Form mentioned earlier that we had said putting too many high-pressure rounds through our suppressors would damage them and that we state that publicly. That's not true. The published RPM rating is intended to discourage abusive use, including FRT use, but high-pressure cartridges themselves are not an issue. We've done durability burn-down testing on 9" 6.5 Creedmoors without issue, as well as a 100-round test on a 16" 6.5 PRC. We even bored out a Zero Gravity 6.5 and ran it on a 16" 7 Backcountry. Excessive heat (to the point of material failure) is the limiting factor for any suppressor.

Second, regarding back pressure. When we initially released the Zero Gravity 6.5, we did say it had high back pressure because it was designed as a lightweight hunting suppressor. That said, it isn't any higher than most traditional baffle suppressors. Silencer Analytics also tested it using an adjustable gas block, and our results fell right in line with other non-flow-through designs.

Lastly, regarding heavy bolt lift. We've now shipped over 2,000 suppressors. The first reports we heard came from a Rokslider who attended the S2H class. In total, I believe we've heard from about four people who have experienced some degree of heavy bolt lift, three of whom were at the S2H class. There are many variables that can contribute to heavy bolt lift, including the rifle, chamber, ammunition, environmental conditions, and suppressor. This isn't unique to Airlock, many suppressor brands and models can exhibit similar pressure-related behavior under the right circumstances.

Based on what we've seen, we believe it is a rare occurrence and not the common or expected outcome it's being portrayed as. If you look through the "Pressure Signs from Suppressor" thread, you'll find reports involving a variety of suppressor brands. However, unless I missed something, I haven't seen anyone in that thread reporting the issue with an Airlock suppressor.

Just trying to clarify some concerns.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Did you read my last post.
Not sure why this is still going.

 

[Hatchet]

I don’t know why you guys argue with Form. He’s the current version of Aron Snyder and the bromance between him and guys on this forum is a real thing. Give it a decade and everyone will say he’s the worst person ever. You’re never going to win. Just give it time.

 

[Formidilosus]

Wanted to respond quickly to a few comments here.

First, Form mentioned earlier that we had said putting too many high-pressure rounds through our suppressors would damage them and that we state that publicly. That's not true. The published RPM rating is intended to discourage abusive use, including FRT use, but high-pressure cartridges themselves are not an issue. We've done durability burn-down testing on 9" 6.5 Creedmoors without issue, as well as a 100-round test on a 16" 6.5 PRC. We even bored out a Zero Gravity 6.5 and ran it on a 16" 7 Backcountry. Excessive heat (to the point of material failure) is the limiting factor for any suppressor.

My apologies for using incorrect information if not- however, I am pretty sure you stated that in the initial thread.

Second, regarding back pressure. When we initially released the Zero Gravity 6.5, we did say it had high back pressure because it was designed as a lightweight hunting suppressor. That said, it isn't any higher than most traditional baffle suppressors. Silencer Analytics also tested it using an adjustable gas block, and our results fell right in line with other non-flow-through designs.

The TBAC UL7 is a relatively high back pressure suppressor, and the ZG65 is high than it- pretty obvious on AR’s that I’ve seen.

Lastly, regarding heavy bolt lift. We've now shipped over 2,000 suppressors. The first reports we heard came from a Rokslider who attended the S2H class. In total, I believe we've heard from about four people who have experienced some degree of heavy bolt lift, three of whom were at the S2H class. There are many variables that can contribute to heavy bolt lift, including the rifle, chamber, ammunition, environmental conditions, and suppressor. This isn't unique to Airlock, many suppressor brands and models can exhibit similar pressure-related behavior under the right circumstances.

Based on what we've seen, we believe it is a rare occurrence and not the common or expected outcome it's being portrayed as. If you look through the "Pressure Signs from Suppressor" thread, you'll find reports involving a variety of suppressor brands. However, unless I missed something, I haven't seen anyone in that thread reporting the issue with an Airlock suppressor.

Just trying to clarify some concerns.

Again, apologies for anything I was mistaken on. To be clear about what I stated, 2 out of 2 people that actually used their ZG65 at the S2H class’s this year IRRC had stiff bolt lift during use that didn’t happen with other cans out in the rifles.

 

[Formidilosus]

If anyone thinks that there is some “issue” between Airlock and I, or Airlock and US- you are wildly mistaken.

 

[Gstew1930]

I don’t know why you guys argue with Form. He’s the current version of Aron Snyder and the bromance between him and guys on this forum is a real thing. Give it a decade and everyone will say he’s the worst person ever. You’re never going to win. Just give it time.

Im not here to defend Form, he does a better job at that than i could but you're not going to find a single member on here who has met him in real life that will say hes a bad person or "the worst person ever". Maybe slightly gay but genuinely one of the best people ive ever met

 

[Geewhiz]

Im not here to defend Form, he does a better job at that than i could but you're not going to find a single member on here who has met him in real life that will say hes a bad person or "the worst person ever". Maybe slightly gay but genuinely one of the best people ive ever met

Well. I guess that rules out @robtattoo from being one of Forms alias's.

 

[BasicUtahrd95]

Second, regarding back pressure. When we initially released the Zero Gravity 6.5, we did say it had high back pressure because it was designed as a lightweight hunting suppressor. That said, it isn't any higher than most traditional baffle suppressors. Silencer Analytics also tested it using an adjustable gas block, and our results fell right in line with other non-flow-through designs.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but when I listened to you on a podcast with Brady Miller I believe you mentioned that the reason your suppressors are so effective at reducing sound while being so small is because of a patent pending baffle design that creates more turbulence in less space than other baffle designs on the market. According to my limited understanding: increased turbulence + decreased volume = higher back pressure. Is this correct? If so, does your design handle backpressure differently than other designs?

 

[TradLife406]

Im not here to defend Form, he does a better job at that than i could but you're not going to find a single member on here who has met him in real life that will say hes a bad person or "the worst person ever". Maybe slightly gay but genuinely one of the best people ive ever met

Thought crossed my mind when he's yelling at you to reset and prep but there's so much gunk in your action the gun is barely running. Or the bolt knob is slick with rain and the crab claw slips off Or when he forgot about eleventhies

 

[Formidilosus]

Thought crossed my mind when he's yelling at you to reset and prep but there's so much gunk in your action the gun is barely running. Or the bolt knob is slick with rain and the crab claw slips off Or when he forgot about eleventhies

Are you ever going to let that go!?


Haha

 

[RancherJohn]

Im not here to defend Form, he does a better job at that than i could but you're not going to find a single member on here who has met him in real life that will say hes a bad person or "the worst person ever". Maybe slightly gay but genuinely one of the best people ive ever met

Just slightly?

He must not have confused you with Dan like he did me. I've been told I still have a few years of therapy remaining to get over it and the ensuing separation anxiety.

 

[Southernfried]

Im not here to defend Form, he does a better job at that than i could but you're not going to find a single member on here who has met him in real life that will say hes a bad person or "the worst person ever". Maybe slightly gay but genuinely one of the best people ive ever met

I’ve never met anyone from this site, that I know of, but that right there is one of the best compliments a feller can give to another. Lol the guys I worked with, hunt with, etc we all have a saying, when a man is down, ain’t but one thing you can do for him, and that’s kick the sh$& out of him lol that is when ya know ya got a friend.