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[ChrisAU]

My tikka sbr was recently approved. I was thinking 22 arc, what made you pick 22cd?

Mainly because I had a standard bolt face Falkor on hand, and 22CM components. Actually a whole 22 CM lol, just doing a barrel and chassis swap. And speeeeed ha

 

[ChrisAU]

Right tool for the job fellas. Now let's get back to the og22. What's the price and where do we go to order it?

Yeah I'd like to know this as well, getting close to time.

 

[Formidilosus]

After this one maybe an 8” 6mm OG style can that’s also very quiet?

This is for reference only.


However, I wouldn’t expect the 6mm version to come out anytime soon.

 

[Lawnboi]

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However, I wouldn’t expect the 6mm version to come out anytime soon.

 

[Formidilosus]

Curious if this type of design would be a Bigger problem when running the +Peak design cartridges. Just something more to consider when
Selecting a new suppressor.

ANY high back pressure suppressor, can and will cause issues eventually. The more back pressure or turbulence a can creates, the more often it happens. The hotter loads are- the more often it happens.
One of the benefits of OTB is the ability to reduce back pressure with the same baffle design and style. If the OG22 had the OTB portion cut off, more than likely it would have back pressure issues as well.

 

[Formidilosus]

Polonium, reaper, and nomad are all louder and heavier. Again, tradeoffs. Airlock zg cans are made to be lightweight and quiet, which they are. They were not designed to be heavy use cans.

Can you define “heavy use”?

 

[Lawnboi]

ANY high back pressure suppressor, can and will cause issues eventually. The more back pressure or turbulence a can creates, the more often it happens. The hotter loads are- the more often it happens.
One of the benefits of OTB is the ability to reduce back pressure with the same baffle design and style. If the OG22 had the OTB portion cut off, more than likely it would have back pressure issues as well.

I’m very curious to hear more about back pressure as it relates to a bolt gun. Iv had my share of issues with mainly carbon dust causing bolt thrust in high back pressure cans but I havnt heard of any other issues.

 

[Geewhiz]

Can you define “heavy use”?

Not definitively, no. But if you are genuinely curious (which I don't think you are) then I might suggest reaching out to the manufacturer directly.

I see the airlock cans as a very light weight backcountry hunting can for bolt type rifles, and the firing schedule should keep that in mind.


I think most of us understand the physics here but people just still want to gripe, we have a different thread for that.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m very curious to hear more about back pressure as it relates to a bolt gun. Iv had my share of issues with mainly carbon dust causing bolt thrust in high back pressure cans but I havnt heard of any other issues.

It’s manifests itself with most cans generally when it is a bit humid and with a slight headwind- someone on here may have mentioned it first (@wind gypsy ?). But, with the ZG65 it has happened multiple times in low humidity and no headwind- and from the first shot, not just rapid fire. This isn’t a knock on Airlock at all- it’s just what has happened.

 

[TradLife406]

Can you explain the tape? I see it on lots of barrels now. Also, sick color choice on that barrel!

It's part of Form's post shot process.

Say you're hunting and you shoot an animal and it's laying dead. You zero your turret, turn your magnification down, close the scope caps. Then say you're unloading the rifle to your self. Take the gun off safe open the bolt and do three visual inspections total. Top your mag off and put the rifle into condition three. Then tape your muzzle. So the tape on the barrel keeps the tape handy. We go through this when we train so come killing time there's no whoopes in the field. It'd be dang easy to not actually unload the rifle or forget to tape it then dive the muzzle in the snow or mud.

Hopefully that's information isn't copy righted. But it's a better explanation than "it's for the muzzle". There's a little bit more to it than that so I didn't reveal the secret sauce.
pre S2H I'd carry a role of tape in my pack.

 

[Formidilosus]

Not definitively, no. But if you are genuinely curious (which I don't think you are) then I might suggest reaching out to the manufacturer directly.

I was asking what you meant- and yes I was genuine. I speak to Airlock semi regularly.

I see the airlock cans as a very light weight backcountry hunting can for bolt type rifles, and the firing schedule should keep that in mind.

The issues show up often enough in the very first shot. The one poster that has been open on here about his- had it have very stiff bolt lift nearly everytime he shot it on a factory 6.5cm and excellent factory ammo- from the first or second shot. It is not a case of firing mag dumps.

I think most of us understand the physics here but people just still want to gripe, we have a different thread for that.

I don’t think you do understand what is happening at all. You, like the three in this thread that tried to BS what is happening and then shrimped out the moment they were asked for evidence, can say all you want that there is some personal thing going on- there isn’t.
It is simply massive quantities of experience and use in the field in direct comparison with a very large and diverse equipment set. All I/we are doing is stating what issues show up. The fact that people or companies don’t want to hear it is immaterial. When things are actually used and comparisons made- reality shows up.

 

[Lawnboi]

It’s manifests itself with most cans generally when it is a bit humid and with a slight headwind- someone on here may have mentioned it first (@wind gypsy ?). But, with the ZG65 it has happened multiple times in low humidity and no headwind- and from the first shot, not just rapid fire. This isn’t a knock on Airlock at all- it’s just what has happened.

That’s the exact issue I was thinking of. Sometimes no big deal, but here in the Midwest when it’s 30 degrees with a lot of humidity it almost always manifests itself when shooting long strings.

I have noticed less back pressure induced carbon dusting with my OG 65 and is something I do appreciate about it. Comparing that to a Tbac Magnus is night and day when you eject the spent shell.

 

[Firth]

My apologies if it's been addressed and I missed it, but I don't think I've seen a hypothesis as to why the heavy bolt lift has been observed. I wouldn't think a suppressor would increase peak chamber pressures so I don't think it would be a high-pressure issue. If I was spitballing I would guess maybe more gases are directed up into the chamber and there's some kind of carbon lock effect.

Anyway, I've heard that the best way to get a response online is to say something dumb and obviously wrong, so somebody feels the need to correct you and that is my attempt.

I'm also curious how "high back pressure" is defined. Is there a good way to measures it aside from shooting with the suppressor on a gas gun and noting the effect?

 

[lelliott8]

My apologies if it's been addressed and I missed it, but I don't think I've seen a hypothesis as to why the heavy bolt lift has been observed. I wouldn't think a suppressor would increase peak chamber pressures so I don't think it would be a high-pressure issue. If I was spitballing I would guess maybe more gases are directed up into the chamber and there's some kind of carbon lock effect.

Anyway, I've heard that the best way to get a response online is to say something dumb and obviously wrong, so somebody feels the need to correct you and that is my attempt.

I'm also curious how "high back pressure" is defined. Is there a good way to measures it aside from shooting with the suppressor on a gas gun and noting the effect?

That might be a good question to bring up in the suppressor pressure thread, not this one

 

[Lawnboi]

My apologies if it's been addressed and I missed it, but I don't think I've seen a hypothesis as to why the heavy bolt lift has been observed. I wouldn't think a suppressor would increase peak chamber pressures so I don't think it would be a high-pressure issue. If I was spitballing I would guess maybe more gases are directed up into the chamber and there's some kind of carbon lock effect.

Anyway, I've heard that the best way to get a response online is to say something dumb and obviously wrong, so somebody feels the need to correct you and that is my attempt.

I'm also curious how "high back pressure" is defined. Is there a good way to measures it aside from shooting with the suppressor on a gas gun and noting the effect?

Pressure is not changing in the case, bolt thrust is ime. The brass is not gripping the chamber like it’s supposed to due to moisture/carbon/heat.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

So every single time you've used an airlock can for practice, the bolt has locked up?

This is correct. It works great until it causes issues.

After how many rounds in a string?

Depends on the gun, the barrel, the ammo, the air temps, etc.

Does the issue resolve itself after the gun cools?

The issue is resolved by swapping to a different suppressor that works under the same work load or, yes, stop shooting and let the lock air cool.

Are you shooting hand loads?

This happens with factory loads and hand loads. Guys chasing max velocity with hand loads will see this happen more often and more quickly.

Again, the lock airs are a great hunting can and will work for most, they aren’t what I use or recommend but the amount of people that care or take advice on what I use is a very small sample size. I’m not a suppressor expert in the slightest I just want my gear to work everyday every time and for how I use it and lock air ain’t that for me.

My sample size is also very low having only shot 3 of their cans total. For most users, in most conditions, even likely some heavier use, I doubt the issues I’ve seen are very common.

 

[Geewhiz]

I was asking what you meant- and yes I was genuine. I speak to Airlock semi regularly.




The issues show up often enough in the very first shot. The one poster that has been open on here about his- had it have very stiff bolt lift nearly everytime he shot it on a factory 6.5cm and excellent factory ammo- from the first or second shot. It is not a case of firing mag dumps.





I don’t think you do understand what is happening at all. You, like the three in this thread that tried to BS what is happening and then shrimped out the moment they were asked for evidence, can say all you want that there is some personal thing going on- there isn’t.
It is simply massive quantities of experience and use in the field in direct comparison with a very large and diverse equipment set. All I/we are doing is stating what issues show up. The fact that people or companies don’t want to hear it is immaterial. When things are actually used and comparisons made- reality shows up.

I'm not trying to troll anybody here. I don't claim to be an expert on suppressors. I own a few and shoot more than most but not near as much as some. I don't have an airlock can in hand, but I'm hoping mine is out of jail sometime this week or next.


If this can results in a stiff bolt lift on every round I shoot will be disappointed to say the least.

I don't intend to, and haven't, insinuated that your pockets are getting lined from UM/US/S2H/ZT or any other company. I believe you are personally searching for what works best for you and that you are passing that info on to others. I think we all appreciate that, especially coming from someone that allegedly shoots more than the top 10 posters on this board combined.

No beef here.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

It's part of Form's post shot process.

Say you're hunting and you shoot an animal and it's laying dead. You zero your turret, turn your magnification down, close the scope caps. Then say you're unloading the rifle to your self. Take the gun off safe open the bolt and do three visual inspections total. Top your mag off and put the rifle into condition three. Then tape your muzzle. So the tape on the barrel keeps the tape handy. We go through this when we train so come killing time there's no whoopes in the field. It'd be dang easy to not actually unload the rifle or forget to tape it then dive the muzzle in the snow or mud.

Hopefully that's information isn't copy righted. But it's a better explanation than "it's for the muzzle". There's a little bit more to it than that so I didn't reveal the secret sauce.
pre S2H I'd carry a role of tape in my pack.

Shouldn’t be secret,if it’s beneficial we should know about it.

 

[ChrisAU]

Wellllll where can I buy this super cool non back pressur-y 22 cal OG in 6 minutes and how many pesos do I need to bring

 

[zekepa]

Wellllll where can I buy this super cool non back pressur-y 22 cal OG in 6 minutes and how many pesos do I need to bring

would be nice to know, have my CC at the ready