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[Huntnpack 2]

At one time there was talk of testing .224 end caps for the Reaper……… soooo……,

 

[Huntnpack 2]

Have Cliff build a .224 Reaper just to try……
see how that performs……might blow some minds
of a few folks here.

Might have to add a Grim just to hear it.

 

[Livedog]

Ever since the OG came out, the most requested suppressor has been one made just for .224 (no doubt thanks to Rokslide and Form). When Cliff built the upgraded OG 30, I asked if he could make a .224 version so we could hear how it sounded. It turned out great. However, we couldn’t fit the OG22 into the main production schedule at this time (I tried hard). Instead, we decided to do a Rokslide exclusive run of 100 cans, along with a giveaway. These are special, and only 100 will be made. They go on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM PST.

Will there be a post/purchase link in this subforum? Or go straight to the US site?

 

[solarshooter]

No it isn’t. There is “possible”, and “not possible”. “There is also “possible, but unlikely, and needs more testing”.







Well, there are a small handful of poster whose sole purpose seems to be inflammatory, deceptive, trolling, or to outright lie.





Hmmm. Can you show me “marketing” products?





“Gushing”

Please show an example of that. You have stated something, just like a couple of others- will you actually show examples of what you claim?

I told more people to not buy US suppressors than I have to buy them- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy them on here.


I told more people to not buy the S2H scope than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

I told more people to not buy the Rokstok than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

I told more people to not buy the Teratorn than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

What exactly have I “gushed” about in regards to products that you believe I have a hand in?


It never ends- first I was paid for by SWFA, then I was paid by NF, then I was paid by Tikka, then I was paid by Shane Megan, then I was paid by Stone Glacier, then I was paid by Revic, then Stockys, then Maven, etc, etc, etc.






What do you want to bet that I had the same complaints years ago, that I do now- and that those complaints or comments are on here?

If you think I am “attacking and dragging” products now- don’t go look at what I used to post. You joined in 2023- I have been here over a decade showing and saying exactly the same things.




Here I’ll make this blunt and clear: I don’t give a shit about the products selling. Buy them, don’t buy them- I do not care.

I have stated repeatedly that you get the industry you deserve. I want products to be durable, reliable, and correct. I want products that I want to use.






And how would I do that exactly?

If you don't care that's fine. I'm telling you that you seem biased sometimes with how you treat products you've helped develop vs competitors products. However I do believe you and your motives, and I continue to purchase the products you help develop and test for myself. Thus far I have not been disappointed.

 

[Formidilosus]

If you don't care that's fine. I'm telling you that you seem biased sometimes with how you treat products you've helped develop vs competitors products. However I do believe you and your motives, and I continue to purchase the products you help develop and test for myself.

I’m asking you for evidence of what you claimed.

 

[WyldGoose]

I’m asking you for evidence of what you claimed.

You’re not going to get it.
The claims are always a vibe that’s perceived, not an actual thing that’s said.

 

[solarshooter]

I’m asking you for evidence of what you claimed.

Well there's one example in this thread with the low suppressor numbers from you vs a different manufacturer.

Another would be the 108 ELDM going from unequivocally the best killing 6mm bullet to now being hit and miss or lot dependent, which I don't recall you ever distinguishing in the past. The past being before the new TMKs which you helped develop were introduced.

Another would be your Rokstock and Rokstock Lite designs and the supposed "copycat" designs from others on this forum that you criticized.

Another would be your assertions that the Airlock cans are fragile based on early testing of a flawed sample. Or that they are too high backpressure design. You just generally seem opposed to them, haven't run them through your full testing gamut, whereas you have with most if not all of the US cans.

There are probably some others I could find but those are the ones that jump to mind.

 

[Geewhiz]

I’m asking you for evidence of what you claimed.

He said "you SEEM biased sometimes".

I don't know how you are involved with any of these companies, if at all. BUT, I do agree, that you seam biased. That is all.

 

[Cory_Shoot2Hunt]

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Well there's one example in this thread with the low suppressor numbers from you vs a different manufacturer.

Another would be the 108 ELDM going from unequivocally the best killing 6mm bullet to now being hit and miss or lot dependent, which I don't recall you ever distinguishing in the past. The past being before the new TMKs which you helped develop were introduced.

Another would be your Rokstock and Rokstock Lite designs and the supposed "copycat" designs from others on this forum that you criticized.

Another would be your assertions that the Airlock cans are fragile based on early testing of a flawed sample. Or that they are too high backpressure design. You just generally seem opposed to them, haven't run them through your full testing gamut, whereas you have with most if not all of the US cans.

There are probably some others I could find but those are the ones that jump to mind.

Form doesn’t get a dime whether we sell 1 can or a million fyi. We appreciate his testing. He doesn’t have to do it.

I’m not trying to get in the middle of this and I’m not saying that’s exactly what has been said but I’m just making that clear for anyone wondering.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well there's one example in this thread with the low suppressor numbers from you vs a different manufacturer.

And yet I posted screenshots showing that I have been consistent with what I we stated from the beginning.

Why do you not acknowledge it?

Another would be the 108 ELDM going from unequivocally the best killing 6mm bullet

Oooh. Can you show me saying that?

Btw- read the below to go along with that.

to now being hit and miss or lot dependent,
which I don't recall you ever distinguishing in the past. The past being before the new TMKs which you helped develop were introduced.

The very first podcast I ever did with Ryan I stated that sometimes ELD-M’s fail to upset as expected and that is one of the reasons I prefer TMK’s- and that it was a relatively new issue. From the very beginning I have stated that I prefer TMK’s wound profiles. 2023 was when multiple issues with ELD-M’s started showing up and I started posting about it- need me to screenshot it? Or can you just admit it’s “feels and vibes” and not reality.

Another would be your Rokstock and Rokstock Lite designs and the supposed "copycat" designs from others on this forum that you criticized.

You can’t be serious? Yes- I did point out that someone was copying the stock design on this forum- because that is exactly what they said they were doing- do you need me to screen shot that too?

Another would be your assertions that the Airlock cans are fragile based on early testing of a flawed sample.

And they were. By their own admission 90 rounds of 5.56 would destroy the can. So too would putting too many of higher pressure wounds too quickly.

Or that they are too high backpressure design.

They unequivocally are- they publicly admit that they are very high back pressure cans- how do you think they work? There are posters that experienced that exact problem at Shoot2hunt classes this year in front of 14 other people; the issues went away when another can was mounted, and returned when the ZG was put back on- do you need me to screenshot that too?

You just generally seem opposed to them,

They are not at all, in anyway the type of can I want. I have been clear about that and why that is, from the very beginning. At no point have I ever posted or said that I want an extremely high back pressure, thin, muzzle forward can. Ever.

haven't run them through your full testing gamut, whereas you have with most if not all of the US cans.

I have put more round through Airlocks than anyone on this forum I would wager. I talk to Danny relatively frequently- he has been offered the exact same thing US has. I will not budge on the testing method and protocol because they exist for a reason.

I was asked early on to eval US cans to ensure they actually work. I also have, and do so for multiple other suppressor companies.

There are probably some others I could find but those are the ones that jump to mind.

But you provided no evidence? Your “examples” are “vibes and feels”- that’s easily disproven. I gave you a list, and you had one too- why can’t you just show me “gushing” and “marketing” for products that you believe I had a hand in? What about “gushing” for products and “marketing” for products that you believe I didn’t?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Another would be the 108 ELDM going from unequivocally the best killing 6mm bullet to now being hit and miss or lot dependent, which I don't recall you ever distinguishing in the past. The past being before the new TMKs which you helped develop were introduced.

I usually avoid these discussions, but he has never said that about 108s. I’ve talked with him about this many times. If you check, you’ll see he actually prefers 103s over 108s. Threads can get confusing, and people sometimes skim or make assumptions that aren’t accurate.

 

[TradLife406]

Well there's one example in this thread with the low suppressor numbers from you vs a different manufacturer.

Another would be the 108 ELDM going from unequivocally the best killing 6mm bullet to now being hit and miss or lot dependent, which I don't recall you ever distinguishing in the past. The past being before the new TMKs which you helped develop were introduced.

Another would be your Rokstock and Rokstock Lite designs and the supposed "copycat" designs from others on this forum that you criticized.

Another would be your assertions that the Airlock cans are fragile based on early testing of a flawed sample. Or that they are too high backpressure design. You just generally seem opposed to them, haven't run them through your full testing gamut, whereas you have with most if not all of the US cans.

There are probably some others I could find but those are the ones that jump to mind.

When I showed up to S2H with my nano he mentioned this. Also said they're a good can but he wished they'd have made them just an oz or two thicker. Which after 1400 rounds on my Nano I agree. It's a fantastic can for zeroing the rifle and some range time. The weight and size make it great for hunting. Which I believe was Airlocks intent. But it was probably not the best choice for my training rifle. My kids 22 creed will probably always wear one.

Or when he knocks bipods or quick sticks. I may have gut shot a doe last year at 25 yards because I had so much torque in my rifle from the quick sticks.
But he'll also run a bipod and be like yeah I use em but you have to make dang sure you're square on your target. Says the same about tripods.

I even asked him should I pull my rails off my rifles. "I never said that". You just need to practice with it and explore other options". Or something to that effect. Basically for me and others we default to the tripod and might miss opportunities or won't use a rear support with it. Or we won't be squared up to the target.

Usually if he says something doesn't work he has a reason and will follow up with a here's how you use it properly if he can.

Just my observation from spending 80 some hours with the guy over a week. He might hurt your feelers and ego but it's usually followed up by good reasoning. Or even better on how to do it more gooder. Might call you out for thinking your 6 UM is immune to wind in-front of the class. But then offers to help ya out more.

 

[dårlig jeger]

I wish you two would go meet at a sonic, scratch gravel in a parking lot, or Indian leg wrestle or whatever other method y'all need to settle this stupid shit so we can get back to the suppressor and pertinent info

As a guy who used to get into a scrap every now and then, I've taken to thumb wrestling to settle bar disputes. It's hard not to laugh at an overly competitive, heated thumb wrestle.

 

[ChrisAU]

Gonna have to be on it tomorrow. Already ordered an XLR Atom and a 12" 22CM barrel haha

PBB actually just called me with a "Are you sure?"

 

[solarshooter]

And yet I posted screenshots showing that I have been consistent with what I we stated from the beginning.

Why do you not acknowledge it?




Oooh. Can you show me saying that?

Btw- read the below to go along with that.




The very first podcast I ever did with Ryan I stated that sometimes ELD-M’s fail to upset as expected and that is one of the reasons I prefer TMK’s- and that it was a relatively new issue. From the very beginning I have stated that I prefer TMK’s wound profiles. 2023 was when multiple issues with ELD-M’s started showing up and I started posting about it- need me to screenshot it? Or can you just admit it’s “feels and vibes” and not reality.





You can’t be serious? Yes- I did point out that someone was copying the stock design on this forum- because that is exactly what they said they were doing- do you need me to screen shot that too?




And they were. By their own admission 90 rounds of 5.56 would destroy the can. So too would putting too many of higher pressure wounds too quickly.




They unequivocally are- they publicly admit that they are very high back pressure cans- how do you think they work? There are posters that experienced that exact problem at Shoot2hunt classes this year in front of 14 other people; the issues went away when another can was mounted, and returned when the ZG was put back on- do you need me to screenshot that too?




They are not at all, in anyway the type of can I want. I have been clear about that and why that is, from the very beginning. At no point have I ever posted or said that I want an extremely high back pressure, thin, muzzle forward can. Ever.




I have put more round through Airlocks than anyone on this forum I would wager. I talk to Danny relatively frequently- he has been offered the exact same thing US has. I will not budge on the testing method and protocol because they exist for a reason.

I was asked early on to eval US cans to ensure they actually work. I also have, and do so for multiple other suppressor companies.




But you provided no evidence? Your “examples” are “vibes and feels”- that’s easily disproven. I gave you a list, and you had one too- why can’t you just show me “gushing” and “marketing” for products that you believe I had a hand in? What about “gushing” for products and “marketing” for products that you believe I didn’t?

I hesitated to even list examples because I think this has gone far beyond anything productive. I won't go any further in digging up old quotes or litigating this. If winning a battle like that is what's required for you to acknowledge that you might have or be displaying some bias, then I concede defeat. I have stated repeatedly that I read your reasoning for your positions, and that I trust you are being objective and that when I test your claims for myself I typically reproduce your results and conclusions.