Unknown 22OG

[Timjohnson11]

I thought it was a “genuine question”….? And if it was a genuine question- why did you delete it?

Please feel free to post what you believe I have been wrong about, or inconsistent on. I’ve already posted screenshots of what I actually wrote- that were consistent with what I am still saying.






Once again- I have been “questioned”, trolled, cursed at, and lied about more than any poster on this board…. And more than any poster on this board have been proven correct, repeatedly.

Much like huntharder, no matter how many times things are shown to you, or explained to- you just keep repeating the same things over and over.

It’s not hard-

“Our can meters 125 dB on a 300wm”

“You know there are no normal cans that have been measured that meter 123 on a 300wm?”.

“Our cans do”

“Ok, can you hear the firing fall?”

“No.”

“Low 120 dB range and you can hear the firing pin”



Then later-

“223 meters ‘x’..”

“No, I don’t believe the numbers the meter is putting out, because I don’t fully believe any number that these meters put out.”

“And yes, you can sometimes hear the firing pin fall behind the rifle. Not only you, but bystanders can sometimes hear it”.




Please explain where you see discrepancies between those two examples.

I didn’t delete my question…. It’s still on page 2 of this thread, as it has been all along.

I’ll waive the white flag, apologize, and leave this thread. You win yet again Form, this is simply not worth the time and adds zero value to this site

 

[walk2112]

Gentlemen… with much respect to the positives you both contribute to RS… if I miss the release price/details of 22OG because I’m 90% expecting any new posts in this thread to be a continuation of this argument for a while and therefore start to ignore it… I’m going to pull the car over

 

[Formidilosus]

For those that care:


20” 22CM. Hornady 80gr ELD-M.


OG22

Average 129.2 dB (A) at SE-




Average 129.7 dB unweighted, at SE-





TBAC UL7 Gen 2:

Average 129.3 dB(A) at SE-



Average 132.0 dB unweighted at SE-




The glasses died right after the TBAC started- the video on the meter is unbroken. As well, only 5 shots with the TBAC for a comparison due to running out of that lot of ammunition.

 

[sneaky]

You are such a baby when you get called out... NM proceed. Name calling when you get called out. Just admit you are an amateur at best with sound measuring and you aren't sure.. It's ok to not know everything....

If he hadn't of showed the meter when he was shooting, you would have asked what the meter said. He would have told you, and you would have complained like you always seem to do on US suppressor videos. He showed the numbers, said he doesn't trust the meters, and you are still complaining. So, which is it? Want him to say it meters in the mid 120s and you call him a liar? Or have him show the meter at the shot and you call him a liar? Seems like there's nothing he can do to appease you. I'm all for watching your testing videos if you want to post a link.

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[Coopsdaddy]

But they're (UM) claiming that it's going to be a one time run for roksliders........FOMO marketing. Admittedly, I want one!!

There marketing works and makes you want it even worse.
There’s nothing wrong with that,it’s a good strategy.
Make shit hard to get that has a lot of hype = grown kids throwing a fit when they don’t get there new toy.
How about step back,don’t be so quick and let some testing get done. Than make your decision.

I definitely appreciate what form does here.
I have learned a lot from his input.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

I didn't mean for that to be taken negatively, really. Shit, Ryan said in a podcast that there'd only be 100!! (The same one where he said July 6th!! )

If it's as good as it appears to be, I hope it becomes a staple in the US lineup - I have 3 kids shooting .223s and I can't buy 3 right now.

I haven't been compulsively checking this thread today because I want to wait on reports from other dudes testing it.

It makes no sense to only make a limited number if there’s a demand.
They have already stated in podcast how easy it is to make these once designed etc.
It’s marketing nothing else!
Ryan if this is your baby were you at.
Why the limited number when you can easily make them a staple?
Curious

 

[Livedog]

It won’t be today at this point. It’s a lot of work with the better way of doing it and couldn’t get done in time today for some reason. Wed… almost there.

Thanks for the update. If it’s now Wednesday, I won’t check 15x today.

 

[JoeK]

extra extra read all about it!

they're good at marketing and getting my money. At least they send me good products in exchange!

I'm a big fan of the OG65 and OG6, so I'm at least OG22 curious. but I also find it inexplicable that they would develop such a great can only to do a one time limited rokslide release...I'm sure it will sell a bunch of cans, fast, but then they're just going to put the plans in a box and forget about it? I have doubts
and I'm trying to spend my discretionary $ on scopes with a 6month lead time right now.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

extra extra read all about it!

they're good at marketing and getting my money. At least they send me good products in exchange!

I'm a big fan of the OG65 and OG6, so I'm at least OG22 curious. but I also find it inexplicable that they would develop such a great can only to do a one time limited rokslide release...I'm sure it will sell a bunch of cans, fast, but then they're just going to put the plans in a box and forget about it? I have doubts
and I'm trying to spend my discretionary $ on scopes with a 6month lead time right now.

At the rate they are iterating and improving their products, it may make sense to offer limited runs of more niche models.

It’s also a way to grow RokSlide more and show its marketing power to sponsors.

There’s multiple levels to this marketing strategy.

 

[Huntnpack 2]

Exactly…. Gotta be nimble & fast on your feet nowadays.

 

[solarshooter]

No problem. Just for clarity- what did I write at the very top of that post?

I would not say these numbers are definitive as these meters simply aren’t that precise. However, this can is at the supersonic crack level. That is- the super sonic crack is louder behind the gun than the muzzle report is.

This disclaimer is reasonable. However in other threads it seemed like you were insinuating that suppressor companies should not even post numbers this low because clearly something is wrong with the metering and it's misleading. I understand in this context what you are saying, but it's still very close to what you were objecting to others doing. Maybe a separate test and post demonstrating this "noise floor" effect with supersonic cartridges would be helpful to illustrate your point.

I did not do the exact same thing-

1). From the beginning I asked them if they could hear the firing pin falling when they fired the rifle- because if the can is actually low 120’s at the shooters ear- you can hear it. Not one company or person claiming that their can was well into the 120’s said they could hear the firing pin. This can- you can. And bystanders can hear it.

2). I noted that I do not trust the numbers given, and the very first sentence said so.

3). The super sonic crack IS louder than the muzzle report.

I showed what the meter showed with the caveats in the same post. I did not try to claim a 30cal was mid 120’s- which is what started my initial statements. I do not know what this can will actually meter, I will say that it will most likely turn out to be one of, if not the best suppressing .22 cal cans on the market.

Understood, same as above.

@Formidilosus, it’s interesting that such a simple question got such an emotional response from you. Perhaps I was a bit snarky, and for that I apologize. That said, you’ve spent plenty of time publicly dissecting other companies’ performance claims—Airlock unfortunately being one of the more obvious examples. And the irony here is that you’re reacting to me exactly how the companies you criticized/dissected probably wanted to react to you…

If the scrutiny was fair when you were asking the questions, it’s fair now too. Maybe the better approach was to just answer the question originally.

I also found the initial response to this question to be emotional and easily construed as offensive. Apparently there is bad blood from other interactions I never knew about, but it came off as strangely defensive to me.


At the end of the day Form, you have to understand that you are no longer perceived as impartial. I won't posit any theories or claims that you are getting compensated for any of your work with UM, US, S2H, etc, since those are often vehemently refuted and frankly it doesn't really matter. What matters is the PERCEPTION of you MARKETING products through your particular brand of extreme, UNBIASED testing.

Recently you have a real knack for gushing about products that you are involved in the development of, and attacking and dragging products from competitors in those same domains. Packs, stocks, scopes, bullets, suppressors, rifles, etc. Maybe it's just because the products you work on are better. OR maybe it's because you have an interest, whether monetary, pride, or whatever, in seeing those products succeed. I choose to believe it's the former, but I think you would benefit from making more effort to dispel notions that it's the latter.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Ever since the OG came out, the most requested suppressor has been one made just for .224 (no doubt thanks to Rokslide and Form). When Cliff built the upgraded OG 30, I asked if he could make a .224 version so we could hear how it sounded. It turned out great. However, we couldn’t fit the OG22 into the main production schedule at this time (I tried hard). Instead, we decided to do a Rokslide exclusive run of 100 cans, along with a giveaway. These are special, and only 100 will be made. They go on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM PST.

 

[Geewhiz]

Ever since the OG came out, the most requested suppressor has been one made just for .224 (no doubt thanks to Rokslide and Form). When Cliff built the upgraded OG 30, I asked if he could make a .224 version so we could hear how it sounded. It turned out great. However, we couldn’t fit the OG22 into the main production schedule at this time (I tried hard). Instead, we decided to do a Rokslide exclusive run of 100 cans, along with a giveaway. These are special, and only 100 will be made. They go on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM PST.

Price?

 

[benconfused]

Ever since the OG came out, the most requested suppressor has been one made just for .224 (no doubt thanks to Rokslide and Form). When Cliff built the upgraded OG 30, I asked if he could make a .224 version so we could hear how it sounded. It turned out great. However, we couldn’t fit the OG22 into the main production schedule at this time (I tried hard). Instead, we decided to do a Rokslide exclusive run of 100 cans, along with a giveaway. These are special, and only 100 will be made. They go on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM PST.

@Ryan Avery - thanks for the update, is the implication here that, in the future they will be regularly available? 100 of these is not enough for the RS group.

 

[Formidilosus]

This disclaimer is reasonable. However in other threads it seemed like you were insinuating that suppressor companies should not even post numbers this low because clearly something is wrong with the metering and it's misleading.
I understand in this context what you are saying, but it's still very close to what you were objecting to others doing.

No it isn’t. There is “possible”, and “not possible”. “There is also “possible, but unlikely, and needs more testing”.

Maybe a separate test and post demonstrating this "noise floor" effect with supersonic cartridges would be helpful to illustrate your point.


Understood, same as above.

I also found the initial response to this question to be emotional and easily construed as offensive. Apparently there is bad blood from other interactions I never knew about, but it came off as strangely defensive to me.

Well, there are a small handful of poster whose sole purpose seems to be inflammatory, deceptive, trolling, or to outright lie.

At the end of the day Form, you have to understand that you are no longer perceived as impartial. I won't posit any theories or claims that you are getting compensated for any of your work with UM, US, S2H, etc, since those are often vehemently refuted and frankly it doesn't really matter. What matters is the PERCEPTION of you MARKETING products through your particular brand of extreme, UNBIASED testing.

Hmmm. Can you show me “marketing” products?

Recently you have a real knack for gushing about products that you are involved in the development of

“Gushing”

Please show an example of that. You have stated something, just like a couple of others- will you actually show examples of what you claim?

I told more people to not buy US suppressors than I have to buy them- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy them on here.


I told more people to not buy the S2H scope than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

I told more people to not buy the Rokstok than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

I told more people to not buy the Teratorn than I have to buy it- because I don’t believe I’ve suggested a single person to buy it on here.

What exactly have I “gushed” about in regards to products that you believe I have a hand in?


It never ends- first I was paid for by SWFA, then I was paid by NF, then I was paid by Tikka, then I was paid by Shane Megan, then I was paid by Stone Glacier, then I was paid by Revic, then Stockys, then Maven, etc, etc, etc.

and attacking and dragging products from competitors in those same domains. Packs, stocks, scopes, bullets, suppressors, rifles, etc.

What do you want to bet that I had the same complaints years ago, that I do now- and that those complaints or comments are on here?

If you think I am “attacking and dragging” products now- don’t go look at what I used to post. You joined in 2023- I have been here over a decade showing and saying exactly the same things.

Maybe it's just because the products you work on are better. OR maybe it's because you have an interest, whether monetary, pride, or whatever, in seeing those products succeed.

Here I’ll make this blunt and clear: I don’t give a shit about the products selling. Buy them, don’t buy them- I do not care.

I have stated repeatedly that you get the industry you deserve. I want products to be durable, reliable, and correct. I want products that I want to use.

I choose to believe it's the former, but I think you would benefit from making more effort to dispel notions that it's the latter.

And how would I do that exactly?

 

[Luvbowhuntn]

I wish you two would go meet at a sonic, scratch gravel in a parking lot, or Indian leg wrestle or whatever other method y'all need to settle this stupid shit so we can get back to the suppressor and pertinent info

 

[Ryan Avery]

@Ryan Avery - thanks for the update, is the implication here that, in the future they will be regularly available? 100 of these is not enough for the RS group.

I don't make any decisions for US, but I would assume yes, at some point, it will be a production can. The issue is print time, so something else has to slow down.

 

[ChrisAU]

Gonna have to be on it tomorrow. Already ordered an XLR Atom and a 12" 22CM barrel haha

 

[Huntnpack 2]

Ever since the OG came out, the most requested suppressor has been one made just for .224 (no doubt thanks to Rokslide and Form). When Cliff built the upgraded OG 30, I asked if he could make a .224 version so we could hear how it sounded. It turned out great. However, we couldn’t fit the OG22 into the main production schedule at this time (I tried hard). Instead, we decided to do a Rokslide exclusive run of 100 cans, along with a giveaway. These are special, and only 100 will be made. They go on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM PST.

Queue up the Reaper .224 please.

 

[TradLife406]

Queue up the Reaper .224 please.

That's coming out Friday Just kidding. UM/US might have their flaws (some might say) but they're not that cruel.