Unknown 22OG

[wind gypsy]

Seems sweet. I want. But then my u7 wouldn't have a home..

 

[flyfisher117]

9.3”.

Is there room for a 10” Handguard or is 9-9.5” the sweet spot? Looks like 10 would be cutting it close but this may repurpose a 14.5 upper I have collecting dust if it’ll fit.

 

[solarshooter]

What did I miss? Didn’t you call out other companies for reporting similar numbers in the past with your firing pin argument? Were you the one off base all along?

Is your obtuseness completely on purpose?

You cannot be this dense.

The entire point that I have stated from the beginning with all of this over a year ago is that- “too good to be true numbers, are too good to be true”. That’s it.

Super sonic rounds do not meter low 120’s in reality.

Nor is a super sonic 308 123 dB at SE.

Seems like a reasonable question to ask. These numbers you're showing are too low, according to your own extensive arguments.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

As Form (and others) have repeatedly pointed out, the meters just aren't that good. So, the numbers always have to be taken with a grain of salt. And, so I am told, this is particularly true when numbers get below 130 because these meters get less and less reliable the lower the values get. That's why Form has suggested that getting a can that meters in the low 130s is typically good enough (because you can't rely on most meters with any number below that).

Additionally, even if the muzzle report is below the level of the sonic crack, you would still need to protect your ears against the noise of the sonic crack. So, in some sense, it is a bit pointless to try to get a suppressor that quiet (until you start looking at masking the shooter's noise signature, rather than just protecting his hearing).

So, understanding all that, this OG22 suppressor does appear to meter significantly quieter than the TBAC Ultra 7 that Form/Unknown have consistently used as their comparison point.

Highlighting that part below:

I would not say these numbers are definitive as these meters simply aren’t that precise. However, this can is at the supersonic crack level. That is- the super sonic crack is louder behind the gun than the muzzle report is.

I could say the same thing of my 7.62 AB Raptor 10 with 5" reflex on my 16.5" Tikka .223 and it would be true. It is particularly noticeable when you position yourself so that you are safely off the bullet path, but downrange of the target where you have the opportunity to hear the sonic crack before the muzzle report. So, it is not completely unbelievable to say that a .224 bore suppressor could get a .223 down below ~125 dbA (super sonic crack level).

I’m aware of how it works. I meter suppressors 3+ days a week. Port pop on an AR is not 133 dB at SE. Nor is a super sonic 308 123 dB at SE.

Port pop on an AR is typically 143-145, if I recall correctly. No issues with him calling those numbers out. And it is perfectly reasonable to note that Form was talking about .308 here, not .223 (while the pedant in me also notes that the 2025 TBAC Summit data shows two ~10-11" cans that got super sonic .308 down to 122 and 124).

Additionally, as I understand it, Form had this suppressor out for demonstration at the third S2H course this month. If he was completely full of crap, don't you think one of the people there would call him out on it?

Finally, I will note for all the skeptics here that the TBAC Suppressor Summit is coming up in August. If you don't want to trust Form, for whatever reason, wait and see how Unknown Suppressors' products do at that event.

As for me, I will figure out a way to get in on this purchase without any fear of disappointment.

 

[Kscoggins]

As for me, I will figure out a way to get in on this purchase without any fear of disappointment.

When are they announcing info on this?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

When are they announcing info on this?

That seems like a question for [mention]Ryan Avery [/mention] , [mention]Unknown Suppressors [/mention] , or [mention]Cory_Shoot2Hunt [/mention] (although I think Cory said it’s not running through him).

 

[lefthandedasian]

When are they announcing info on this?

I bet there are 200 of us constantly spam checking the US website, Rokslide and email to grab one.... Or maybe it's just me

 

[Brix8984]

I know Ryan had mentioned to pay attention to rokslide today but it looks like UM and maybe US are closed today so that might be the holdup.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

I want one of these but just got the OG 6-s. I am really hoping this becomes a thing again in the future if we don’t buy this time only. Orrrr the self control will collapse and I will be in on this round

 

[solarshooter]

As Form (and others) have repeatedly pointed out, the meters just aren't that good. So, the numbers always have to be taken with a grain of salt. And, so I am told, this is particularly true when numbers get below 130 because these meters get less and less reliable the lower the values get. That's why Form has suggested that getting a can that meters in the low 130s is typically good enough (because you can't rely on most meters with any number below that).

Additionally, even if the muzzle report is below the level of the sonic crack, you would still need to protect your ears against the noise of the sonic crack. So, in some sense, it is a bit pointless to try to get a suppressor that quiet (until you start looking at masking the shooter's noise signature, rather than just protecting his hearing).

So, understanding all that, this OG22 suppressor does appear to meter significantly quieter than the TBAC Ultra 7 that Form/Unknown have consistently used as their comparison point.

Highlighting that part below:

I could say the same thing of my 7.62 AB Raptor 10 with 5" reflex on my 16.5" Tikka .223 and it would be true. It is particularly noticeable when you position yourself so that you are safely off the bullet path, but downrange of the target where you have the opportunity to hear the sonic crack before the muzzle report. So, it is not completely unbelievable to say that a .224 bore suppressor could get a .223 down below ~125 dbA (super sonic crack level).

Port pop on an AR is typically 143-145, if I recall correctly. No issues with him calling those numbers out. And it is perfectly reasonable to note that Form was talking about .308 here, not .223 (while the pedant in me also notes that the 2025 TBAC Summit data shows two ~10-11" cans that got super sonic .308 down to 122 and 124).

Additionally, as I understand it, Form had this suppressor out for demonstration at the third S2H course this month. If he was completely full of crap, don't you think one of the people there would call him out on it?

Finally, I will note for all the skeptics here that the TBAC Suppressor Summit is coming up in August. If you don't want to trust Form, for whatever reason, wait and see how Unknown Suppressors' products do at that event.

As for me, I will figure out a way to get in on this purchase without any fear of disappointment.

Not at all saying Form is "full of crap" or anything like that. And I understand the nuances and limitations of the meters. I'm saying that just a couple months ago, Form voiced serious skepticism about suppressor numbers posted in the low 120s for marketing purposes (which all of this is). And now proceeds to do the exact same thing. It's very eyebrow raising.

 

[ckt3]

Not at all saying Form is "full of crap" or anything like that. And I understand the nuances and limitations of the meters. I'm saying that just a couple months ago, Form voiced serious skepticism about suppressor numbers posted in the low 120s for marketing purposes (which all of this is). And now proceeds to do the exact same thing. It's very eyebrow raising.

Agree. Form puts out incredibly helpful information which I’m quite appreciative of, and it’s helped me a ton. It’s also reasonable to question supersonic suppressed dB numbers in the mid to low 120s, if for no other reason than to understand more about the number in context (it is appreciated that an Ultra 7’s numbers were shown here as a comparison point). Not alluding to anything nefarious, just appropriate scrutiny and skepticism. Regardless of the absolute number, the suppressor could be amazing. But numbers and methodologies matter too.

 

[zekepa]

I bet there are 200 of us constantly spam checking the US website, Rokslide and email to grab one.... Or maybe it's just me

It's only you, I just have a tab open in my browser for the website and this thread lol

 

[Formidilosus]

Is there room for a 10” Handguard or is 9-9.5” the sweet spot? Looks like 10 would be cutting it close but this may repurpose a 14.5 upper I have collecting dust if it’ll fit.

Yep- a 10” handguard fits.

 

[Formidilosus]

Seems like a reasonable question to ask. These numbers you're showing are too low, according to your own extensive arguments.

No problem. Just for clarity- what did I write at the very top of that post?

 

[HuntHarder]

No problem. Just for clarity- what did I write at the very top of that post?

Why post the #'s if you dont believe them? Or do you believe them?

 

[Formidilosus]

Not at all saying Form is "full of crap" or anything like that. And I understand the nuances and limitations of the meters. I'm saying that just a couple months ago, Form voiced serious skepticism about suppressor numbers posted in the low 120s for marketing purposes (which all of this is). And now proceeds to do the exact same thing. It's very eyebrow raising.

I did not do the exact same thing-

1). From the beginning I asked them if they could hear the firing pin falling when they fired the rifle- because if the can is actually low 120’s at the shooters ear- you can hear it. Not one company or person claiming that their can was well into the 120’s said they could hear the firing pin. This can- you can. And bystanders can hear it.

2). I noted that I do not trust the numbers given, and the very first sentence said so.

3). The super sonic crack IS louder than the muzzle report.

I showed what the meter showed with the caveats in the same post. I did not try to claim a 30cal was mid 120’s- which is what started my initial statements. I do not know what this can will actually meter, I will say that it will most likely turn out to be one of, if not the best suppressing .22 cal cans on the market.

 

[Formidilosus]

Why post the #'s if you dont believe them? Or do you believe them?

Why do you ask questions of me, when we both know all you are going to do is misconstrue, troll, or BS whatever is written?

 

[HuntHarder]

Why do you ask questions of me, when we both know all you are going to do is misconstrue, troll, or BS whatever is written?

You are such a baby when you get called out... NM proceed. Name calling when you get called out. Just admit you are an amateur at best with sound measuring and you aren't sure.. It's ok to not know everything....