UM factory 6mm CM 95 grain DRT interest

[ehayes]

How many people would purchase 6mm creedmoor 95 grain DRT terminal shock loaded ammunition if Unknown Munitions offered it?

I don’t hand load and this seems to be the most recommended non lead option. I have had good accuracy with all other UM “factory” loads I have ordered from them.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

I had them work up the 175 DRT for my 300wsm and it was stellar. Currently my build with them is in load dev for 135g DRT with a 6.5 PRC. If you ship them bullets they would work something up with you. I had a great experience with 2 calibers and I would anticipate the same with the 6 creed

 

[ehayes]

Did you send them your 300 wsm? If not, how did you come to the load you wanted them to build for you?

 

[WI-Carcosa]

I filled out the custom load request form and did a pile of research and sent in thoughts and estimates and when they accepted the order I sent in the DRT bullets. They sent a test pack ladder and worked up a load and it shot great! I ended up selling the wsm but I won’t hesitate to do a load with them again. The custom I am building with them is getting the full load dev treatment

 

[philcox]

How many people would purchase 6mm creedmoor 95 grain DRT terminal shock loaded ammunition if Unknown Munitions offered it?

I don’t hand load and this seems to be the most recommended non lead option. I have had good accuracy with all other UM “factory” loads I have ordered from them.

I would be VERY interested in this!

 

[SDHNTR]

Why are people so hesitant to reload?

I don’t understand these boutique loaded options. It sounds good on the surface but what are you gonna do when UM runs out of that same powder lot? Or when you shoot through all your brass? Everything changes and you have no ability to adjust accordingly.

Or are you guys ordering thousands of dollars worth of ammo at a time, to last a whole barrel?

 

[philcox]

Why are people so hesitant to reload?

I don’t understand these boutique loaded options. It sounds good on the surface but what are you gonna do when UM runs out of that same powder lot? Or when you shoot through all your brass? Everything changes and you have no ability to adjust accordingly.

Or are you guys ordering thousands of dollars worth of ammo at a time, to last a whole barrel?

In this case, the answer would be "yes". I have just found that it is the "time" factor for reloading for me at this point. If it cost me an additional $1k for someone else to have done it. I have easily spent that in time and components. I just want to go shoot. If I had a 100y spot next door to me, where I could literally do a load dev in a day, that would be another story, but at this point, getting to the "load" takes me way too long.

 

[SDHNTR]

In this case, the answer would be "yes". I have just found that it is the "time" factor for reloading for me at this point. If it cost me an additional $1k for someone else to have done it. I have easily spent that in time and components. I just want to go shoot. If I had a 100y spot next door to me, where I could literally do a load dev in a day, that would be another story, but at this point, getting to the "load" takes me way too long.

I understand that, I used to tell myself similar things. But again, what do you do when lots change? Or UM is out of the original powder or new brass or?

 

[philcox]

I understand that, I used to tell myself similar things. But again, what do you do when lots change? Or UM is out of the original powder or new brass or?

Well a mute point now ... 250 Starline LRP, 500 Barnes 112g MB on the way. I have ~900 GM201M and a couple thousand CCI 200, and about 7 lbs of RL16 ... So I guess I am going to figure this out. I am in hopes that this is a fairly easy load to work up. I also have H4350, Superformance, StaBall 65, Hunter, and Magnum ... and now you know why I get lost in the weeds.

 

[SDHNTR]

Let me help simplify…. Pick one powder that fits the burn rate you need. I’d start with H4350, it’s versatile and temp resistant. I bet you end there too.

In a modern rifle, start at about 50% between book low and max charge weights. Load your chosen bullet to .050” jump. Load one bullet each in increasing .5 gr powder increments until you see a pressure sign, and then back off 1 grain. Then load 10 -15 rounds at that charge weights and shoot. If you get a sub 1.5” 10+ shot group, you are done. That’s plenty good enough for anything out to 800+ yards.

If it doesn’t shoot, change the bullet and repeat same process. If you can’t get an acceptable group after 3 different bullet choices, change the powder and repeat.

You don’t need to make it any more complicated than that.

 

[benconfused]

Why are people so hesitant to reload?

I don’t understand these boutique loaded options. It sounds good on the surface but what are you gonna do when UM runs out of that same powder lot? Or when you shoot through all your brass? Everything changes and you have no ability to adjust accordingly.

Or are you guys ordering thousands of dollars worth of ammo at a time, to last a whole barrel?

I "want" to get into reloading, but I'm trying to avoid it right now so I don't overstack hobbies and time. What is the barrier cost of entry for reloading tools, and how long does it typically take to recoup those costs vs buying factory/reloads elsewhere?

I'm sure there's hundreds of posts asking this same question so I apologize in advance for posting here.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Why are people so hesitant to reload?

I don’t understand these boutique loaded options. It sounds good on the surface but what are you gonna do when UM runs out of that same powder lot? Or when you shoot through all your brass? Everything changes and you have no ability to adjust accordingly.

Or are you guys ordering thousands of dollars worth of ammo at a time, to last a whole barrel?

If your time is worth more than a few dollars an hour, then working a bit more and having someone else reload for you is no different than having someone else mow your lawn, change your oil, etc.

Having UM run out of that same powder lot is no different than you running out of that same powder lot.

I like reloading. It’s part of my “shooting and hunting hobby.” But I am not going to flatter myself that I am saving money by purchasing a few hundred dollars in equipment and thousands of dollars in components and spending hours of time doing the reloading. My time is worth $500/hour to my employer. I’ll spend my time how I see fit, but I know I am not saving money by making my own ammo, killing my own meat, or growing my own vegetables. Those are all things I do for my own enjoyment, not because it makes economic sense.

 

[SDHNTR]

If your time is worth more than a few dollars an hour, then working a bit more and having someone else reload for you is no different than having someone else mow your lawn, change your oil, etc.

Having UM run out of that same powder lot is no different than you running out of that same powder lot.

I like reloading. It’s part of my “shooting and hunting hobby.” But I am not going to flatter myself that I am saving money by purchasing a few hundred dollars in equipment and thousands of dollars in components and spending hours of time doing the reloading. My time is worth $500/hour to my employer. I’ll spend my time how I see fit, but I know I am not saving money by making my own ammo, killing my own meat, or growing my own vegetables. Those are all things I do for my own enjoyment, not because it makes economic sense.

Middle statement. I disagree. If/when my powder changes lots, I can simply adjust the charge accordingly to get speed right back to where it was before. I can easily account for lot changes. UM can’t because they don’t have your rifle in hand. They are just gonna load to the previous charge weight and hope for the best.

 

[SDHNTR]

I "want" to get into reloading, but I'm trying to avoid it right now so I don't overstack hobbies and time. What is the barrier cost of entry for reloading tools, and how long does it typically take to recoup those costs vs buying factory/reloads elsewhere?

I'm sure there's hundreds of posts asking this same question so I apologize in advance for posting here.

There are no cost advantages, imo. I buy good stuff so I can make good, consistent ammo. The breakeven point for what I’ve spent in equipment is probably decades away. That’s not the point. There is no way to get factory ammo to do what I want my guns to do.