Ultralight Ultralight Rifles

[goalie]

No worries, was that with the tube or the bare plastic part?

With the buffer tube I have linked above. I think the actual part you buy is less than an ounce IIRC

 

[gtriple]

No worries, was that with the tube or the bare plastic part?

Bare with bolt is 1.8oz

 

[Taudisio]

For those looking at a PA prism….

 

[Trackselk]

Fun discussion about how light is too light anyone?
Been thinking that a logical progression for my UUUUUL obsession would be one of these 5oz (microprisms?) Or whatever they're called. But, then I realized that I'm reaching the point where recoil might be significant? Then again, I came from a 5-5.5lb not-suppressed .308 that had brutal recoil, and it didn't bother me, so I'm not recoil sensitive despite not loving it. Would like to hear what you guys think about this regarding:
[will be suppressed (8oz scythe-ti) .223, so much less recoil than I used to deal with (luckily I never developed a flinch). Also, I'd only lose 4.5oz over the leupold, unless the mounts affect this equation?

1.-recoil discomfort
2.-375 yard accuracy affected by the increased recoil of 4.5 more ounces removed
3.-any other reasons to stick with my field proven Leupold ultralights or not (I don't really want to rely on batteries/electronics that could fail or another battery to monitor). But, another quarter pound + of weight loss is very tempting!
4. Are the 5x micros capable of 1moa groups at 375 yards?
5. Now that I wrote all of this down I guess I'll still be heavier that many of you since I'm running a suppressor, crap. Well, fun discussion and always something to learn anyhow...

Lastly, I'm not worried about the inherent instability of these platforms because even my 5lb .308 was terrible to shoot offhand, too light...

 

[gtriple]

View attachment 796987For those looking at a PA prism….

I'm trying to find a code that I can stack on top of this

 

[Taudisio]

Fun discussion about how light is too light anyone?
Been thinking that a logical progression for my UUUUUL obsession would be one of these 5oz (microprisms?) Or whatever they're called. But, then I realized that I'm reaching the point where recoil might be significant? Then again, I came from a 5-5.5lb not-suppressed .308 that had brutal recoil, and it didn't bother me, so I'm not recoil sensitive despite not loving it. Would like to hear what you guys think about this regarding:
[will be suppressed (8oz scythe-ti) .223, so much less recoil than I used to deal with (luckily I never developed a flinch). Also, I'd only lose 4.5oz over the leupold, unless the mounts affect this equation?

1.-recoil discomfort
2.-375 yard accuracy affected by the increased recoil of 4.5 more ounces removed
3.-any other reasons to stick with my field proven Leupold ultralights or not (I don't really want to rely on batteries/electronics that could fail or another battery to monitor). But, another quarter pound + of weight loss is very tempting!
4. Are the 5x micros capable of 1moa groups at 375 yards?
5. Now that I wrote all of this down I guess I'll still be heavier that many of you since I'm running a suppressor, crap. Well, fun discussion and always something to learn anyhow...

Lastly, I'm not worried about the inherent instability of these platforms because even my 5lb .308 was terrible to shoot offhand, too light...

1. Recoil on my 3lb 2oz 5.56 was similar to 4lb 3oz 6x45. To me they both felt similar to a 6.5lb 308.
2. Only you could answer your accuracy at distance.
3. Think of the micro prism as a fixed power scope with the ability to light the reticle red. Same thing function. Batteries are not necessary.
4. I have never shot a true group past 300 yards. I have plinked steel. You’ll have to go back in the thread and you’ll see the video and photos of my group at 300 yards that was 2.25”
5. I have a suppressor on mine, if you go back in the thread, you can see the rifle and weights.
6. I absolutely love shooting it off hand. Reminds me of shooting a 10/22 in my younger years. 3 deer were killed with mine off hand this year (sub 100 yards)

 

[goalie]

I'm trying to find a code that I can stack on top of this

I don't know if PA will let you stack codes. I never get to use my .mil discount with other sale prices, you just get whichever one itself is cheaper.

 

[Welldone]

I’m thinking of getting a PA micro prism. Most of my shots will be 200 and in with an occasional shot out to 350. Seems like 3 power will work but there seems to be a lot of love for the 5 power. First world problem for sure!

 

[packgoatguy]

Some weights of some of the options

 

[Trackselk]

1. Recoil on my 3lb 2oz 5.56 was similar to 4lb 3oz 6x45. To me they both felt similar to a 6.5lb 308.
2. Only you could answer your accuracy at distance.
3. Think of the micro prism as a fixed power scope with the ability to light the reticle red. Same thing function. Batteries are not necessary.
4. I have never shot a true group past 300 yards. I have plinked steel. You’ll have to go back in the thread and you’ll see the video and photos of my group at 300 yards that was 2.25”
5. I have a suppressor on mine, if you go back in the thread, you can see the rifle and weights.
6. I absolutely love shooting it off hand. Reminds me of shooting a 10/22 in my younger years. 3 deer were killed with mine off hand this year (sub 100 yards)

Thanks for the post! Are you talking suppressed 308 or not?

 

[Taudisio]

Thanks for the post! Are you talking suppressed 308 or not?

Non-suppressed, non-braked, 6.5 pound, 18” 308 I own. My perceived recoil is pretty similar. The 308 has a recoil pad, the 5.56 does not, and it’s about half the weight. The 5.56 is more “jumpy/snappy” and slightly less “pushy”. Hopefully that makes sense. I wouldn’t hand either rifle to someone just starting out. The suppressed 6x45 is a different beast. Right under 5 pounds suppressed, it’s not so bad.

 

[goalie]

Non-suppressed, non-braked, 6.5 pound, 18” 308 I own. My perceived recoil is pretty similar. The 308 has a recoil pad, the 5.56 does not, and it’s about half the weight. The 5.56 is more “jumpy/snappy” and slightly less “pushy”. Hopefully that makes sense. I wouldn’t hand either rifle to someone just starting out. The suppressed 6x45 is a different beast. Right under 5 pounds suppressed, it’s not so bad.

Is the .223 suppressed?

I shot my buck with a 45/70 this year, so I don't really know why I care, but I do.

 

[Taudisio]

Is the .223 suppressed?

I shot my buck with a 45/70 this year, so I don't really know why I care, but I do.

Not that one, it is threaded though….. but putting a suppressor on a rifle that weighs nearly the same amount of some people’s scopes, that just sounds a bit ridiculous. A suppressor on it would be like one on a pistol, great for playing at the range, but not for carrying around like it was built to do.

I approve of your 45-70. I have yet to use mine on an animal, but it is a good time.

 

[packgoatguy]

Who has the PA 5x microprism with the mil reticle and wishes they had the BDC reticle instead?

 

[packgoatguy]

So, the lightest trigger option is the one that comes with the Polymer NFA LPK I think... but what is the lightest trigger for precision shooting? I like my gissele trigger, bit it's an ounce weight penalty. Any better options out there?

 

[packgoatguy]

More pics of parts on the scale. I might have posted these last spring when I did my first build.

 

[packgoatguy]

Parts pics continued

 

[Trackselk]

Non-suppressed, non-braked, 6.5 pound, 18” 308 I own. My perceived recoil is pretty similar. The 308 has a recoil pad, the 5.56 does not, and it’s about half the weight. The 5.56 is more “jumpy/snappy” and slightly less “pushy”. Hopefully that makes sense. I wouldn’t hand either rifle to someone just starting out. The suppressed 6x45 is a different beast. Right under 5 pounds suppressed, it’s not so bad.

Makes sense, 223 should be pretty mild suppressed. Just watched the delta34 YouTube video on the 5x, and I think I'm sold. But, I am concerned that I'll miss out on fast snap shots (narrow view, and squirrelly eye box) like I did when I ran a 5lb 5 round revolver (45-70 BFR) and the long eye relief scope. After I didn't get a shot on 2 different elk 2 different years that I should have killed I was over the handgun hunting game...
And, like the author in the video mentioned, can we even take a reasonably precise shot at 400ish with those thick reticle lines?

Edit: Oops, I see you shot deer at 100 or less, can't remember if anyone has shot deer very far out with these sights.

 

[Trackselk]

So, the lightest trigger option is the one that comes with the Polymer NFA LPK I think... but what is the lightest trigger for precision shooting? I like my gissele trigger, bit it's an ounce weight penalty. Any better options out there?

I ended up with the "cheap" gissele trigger, but haven't put it to work yet. I think that's one place we shouldn't compromise since it is so important for shot placement.

 

[Taudisio]

Makes sense, 223 should be pretty mild suppressed. Just watched the delta34 YouTube video on the 5x, and I think I'm sold. But, I am concerned that I'll miss out on fast snap shots (narrow view, and squirrelly eye box) like I did when I ran a 5lb 5 round revolver (45-70 BFR) and the long eye relief scope. After I didn't get a shot on 2 different elk 2 different years that I should have killed I was over the handgun hunting game...
And, like the author in the video mentioned, can we even take a reasonably precise shot at 400ish with those thick reticle lines?

Edit: Oops, I see you shot deer at 100 or less, can't remember if anyone has shot deer very far out with these sights.

I shot one deer once at ~85 yards. Second one 3 times at 60, first shot dropped him, he got up and started running, hit him again (in the paunch) and shot him after he crashed (insurance). 3rd deer, I was helping track a wounded buck and the 13 year old finished the buck at about 20 yards.

Videos below are pre-suppressed then suppressed using the PA 5x for those of you that may have missed them earlier in the thread.