Ultralight Titanium Stove For Hot Tent

I'm sort of bummed I don't have a tent to use my stove in and no more budget to get one haha. It's an awesome design! Hopefully I'll acquire a tent before this winter
 
Just to update everyone that has been following along on this project. Thank you to anyone that bought one, the feedback has been great and it's been a fun project. This was originally never going to be the start to a business, it was a fun project for myself then I had a few guys reach out asking if they could buy one and I turned out making a handful and I soon discovered that there really was a hole in the market for this stove. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to start a business and that was never my intention so I reached out to a few businesses to see if they would be interested in taking the design and selling the stove for me. Me being naive to the business world trusted a few people too far and go burnt. There is a company out of Montana that is pretty well known that I reached out to. They used to manufacture all their products in the US and did their own sewing so it seemed like a good fit. They requested a sample stove and we started talking about how this would work. Negotiations fizzled out and I decided I was going to just sell them myself. However, 3 months later, I found my stove on their website. They essentially took my stove, shipped it to China, had it reverse engineered and are now selling them. I discovered since then that they have outsourced most of their products to China and are starting to sell them on Amazon and the like. Their argument is that I copied someone else's design so they can copy mine without repercussion. I don't have the time and the money for patent lawyers and the like so expensive lesson learned.

At this point, I don't know what is going to happen to the tariff situation. Possibly at some point I'll order more material if it the cost comes down. I have a few alternative designs in my head as I don't want to be selling an identical stove that someone else sells now so I'll have to redesign it. At some point, we might turn it into a small side business. Maybe if Rokslide approves, we can make it the official stove of Rokslide and they can sell it to fund the forum.

Business 101 guys, even the nicest guys will stab you in the back for money.
 
Wow. That is really low.

If you end up wanting to modify the design, I’ve got some ideas. I’m also working on getting a storage solution for them.
 
renagde said:
Just to update everyone that has been following along on this project. Thank you to anyone that bought one, the feedback has been great and it's been a fun project. This was originally never going to be the start to a business, it was a fun project for myself then I had a few guys reach out asking if they could buy one and I turned out making a handful and I soon discovered that there really was a hole in the market for this stove. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to start a business and that was never my intention so I reached out to a few businesses to see if they would be interested in taking the design and selling the stove for me. Me being naive to the business world trusted a few people too far and go burnt. There is a company out of Montana that is pretty well known that I reached out to. They used to manufacture all their products in the US and did their own sewing so it seemed like a good fit. They requested a sample stove and we started talking about how this would work. Negotiations fizzled out and I decided I was going to just sell them myself. However, 3 months later, I found my stove on their website. They essentially took my stove, shipped it to China, had it reverse engineered and are now selling them. I discovered since then that they have outsourced most of their products to China and are starting to sell them on Amazon and the like. Their argument is that I copied someone else's design so they can copy mine without repercussion. I don't have the time and the money for patent lawyers and the like so expensive lesson learned.

At this point, I don't know what is going to happen to the tariff situation. Possibly at some point I'll order more material if it the cost comes down. I have a few alternative designs in my head as I don't want to be selling an identical stove that someone else sells now so I'll have to redesign it. At some point, we might turn it into a small side business. Maybe if Rokslide approves, we can make it the official stove of Rokslide and they can sell it to fund the forum.

Business 101 guys, even the nicest guys will stab you in the back for money.
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Name and shame the company. I won’t support them if I currently am.
 
gtriple said:
I'm in agreement. Is what they did illegal? Not really. But taking advantage of a sole proprietor in such a small industry is just unethical.
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No, but it’s the same shit cabelas does.


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@renagde That's a bummer to hear. Your design is pretty awesome. And I'm excited to use it. Currently, I can only think of a couple of minor refinements to be made, but the overall design is great.

I agree with putting their name out there. Or at least send me their name through p.m. If you're concerned with potential legal issues by publicly naming them
 
Poor morals on their part for sure. It seems the hunting community really loves all the brands that clearly just outsource to China or relabel products already produced there.

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uglymud said:
Poor morals on their part for sure. It seems the hunting community really loves all the brands that clearly just outsource to China or relabel products already produced there.

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I don't get it. There's a couple companies like that now that are clearly just rebranding stuff off of Alibaba. All of this stuff is coming out of the same factory in China with little tweaks so that each company can claim that "they've developed xyz".

Certainly makes you appreciate the companies that do it right.
 
svivian said:
viamoutdoors.com

VIAM Outdoors™ “Loco” Titanium Stove

Introducing our “Loco” Lightweight Titanium Stove Named after a high mountain peak in the Crazy Mountains of Montana; You’ll find yourself on a ridge, in a shelter, staying warm with this lightweight stove at 2lbs 8oz. Spec:– 2lbs 8oz, TOTAL KIT!– 8 foot pipe, to be trimmed for smaller shelters–...
viamoutdoors.com viamoutdoors.com
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Would be a shame if folks left reviews.
 
I've got swatches inbound to test for the stove storage. If anybody has any design ideas, lmk. My favorite design is Argali's, but probably with a zipper only on one side. Not sure if it should be the short or long edge.
 
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