Tulsa shooting

[Newtosavage]

How can Canada have a high freedom index when they closed borders, and imprisoned citizens with Covid hotel/jails to quarantine incoming citizens. Laughable

Not to mention Basically went martial law over a traffic jam with truckers lol

What, in your mind, makes us more free than Canadians?

 

[CJ19]

"tough guy?" What's the point of that?

I've said here before the solution will have to be multi-faceted and making it harder for people to get their hands on weapons designed for warfare is just part of the solution.

Daydreaming about "nuclear families" and "morality" sounds good, but that doesn't explain why countries who have fewer nuclear families and fewer "morals" also have far fewer mass shootings.

The purpose of that is to insentivise a timely response to my post.

So you have no solution. Got it. Im going to go ahead and hold onto my 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Thanks.

 

[Wyobohunter]

How did that work out for the Spartans long term? I am not anti gay just struggle with a month celebration, I support your right to be homosexual. Read between the lines in my comment our society has and is breaking down was my point. Every house in my neighborhood had lots of guns and no one was shot. These things have been increasing and little has been done to deal with mental health or even addressed why these are happening. There are already so many laws broken when these happen, start enforcing the ones we have.

-Sparta lasted for about 1,000 years. About four times our current age. At the rate we are hating on each other I don’t give us another 250.

-I don’t have to be into dudes to not care if others are. It doesn’t effect me.

-Mental health care has been significantly reduced. Mostly thanks to the 1981 GOP.

 

[Dos Perros]

One difference might be that Trump was pretty cool with just taking guns and sorting out the paperwork after the fact.

Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’

President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights. “I like taking the guns early, like in thi…

thehill.com

Are you asserting that Trump was more 'gun control' than Biden?

 

[Newtosavage]

There is not a firearm made that I am aware of that couldnt be considered a weapon of warfare. Weapon of warfare would also roll up knives, bow, spear, and freakin rocks as far as that goes. They have all been used in warfare. I am simply asking him to define his argument.

You changed the definition.

Lots of things are USED in warfare. But it's disingenuous to suggest that weapons like the AR-15 and 1911 (and others) weren't specifically DESIGNED for warfare, which was my point.

 

[Newtosavage]

-Sparta lasted for about 1,000 years. About four times our current age. At the rate we are hating on each other I don’t give us another 250.

-I don’t have to be into dudes to not care if others are. It doesn’t effect me.

-Mental health care has been significantly reduced. Mostly thanks to the 1981 GOP.

Right. The same party that wants to blame mental health also wants to defund mental health while saying that loving someone is a mental health problem. You literally cannot make this stuff up.

 

[BjornF16]

Which of these mass shooters is from the third world? How do we celebrate mental illness and how is that causal? What is the connection between all of the other things you don’t personally like and any kind of gun violence?

Plenty of mass shootings in 3rd World countries…and mass machete attacks, and raping and pillaging and enslavement…just look at Sudan and Uganda for starters

 

[Dos Perros]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret.

The 2nd Amendment applies to 'weapons of war.' You don't need to fight over what is and isn't a weapon of war, it's irrelevant.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Today on Rokslide I learned that gay people and immigrants are the reason we have so many mass shootings.

We can't have an honest discussion if you're not going to use real data.

46 killed in mass shootings in 2015? Try again.

A calendar of every mass shooting in 2015

In 2015, there were more days with a mass shooting than days without a mass shooting.

www.vox.com

Welcome to fbi.gov | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

Mass Shootings - 2015 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I went by Times report of mass Shooting not Gang drives by of criminal on criminal violence of Houston, LA and Chicago etc

San Bernardino- 14
Csprings-3
Csprings-3
Rose burg 9
Chattanooga-5
Charleston-9
Menasha -3

Like I said you make it sound like no other country has the same issues,

41 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

Hundreds of people have been killed in mass shootings since 1982

time.com

 

[Newtosavage]

Are you asserting that Trump was more 'gun control' than Biden?

In that moment, he was giving him a run for his money. Did you see that press conference live? I did. Even I was stunned at what we coming out of his mouth. But that was when he was speaking as a person, before his handlers made him realize he couldn't do that.

 

[Newtosavage]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret.

The 2nd Amendment applies to 'weapons of war.' You don't need to fight over what is and isn't a weapon of war, it's irrelevant.

Who here said it doesn't? And, the 2A was written to describe hand-held weapons as per the accepted definition of "arms" at the time. But I suspect you know that too.

At the time, the 2A was a useful thing to allow people to carry "arms" to defend themselves against what they feared might be a tyrannical ruler. Now, in practical terms, the 2A became obsolete for that purpose the minute planes started carrying bombs and tanks were roaming around.

 

[Hoodie]

Are you asserting that Trump was more 'gun control' than Biden?

Nope.

I'm asserting that people conveniently ignore stuff when it suits their bias. And you're proving my point.

How would you react to that quote if a Democrat had said it? People just brush that shit off all the time because it's a Trump quote.

 

[Wyobohunter]

870's and flintlocks have been used in warfare also. Draw the line and define a weapon of warfare. Is it a caliber, is it a style, does it just need to go bang? Again it's your argument so define it.

Designed for war isn’t the same thing as used in war. Defining “designed for war” is as simple as looking at who designed the weapon and what it was designed for. See post #67 above.

 

[Btaylor]

You changed the definition.

Lots of things are USED in warfare. But it's disingenuous to suggest that weapons like the AR-15 and 1911 (and others) weren't specifically DESIGNED for warfare, which was my point.

I am not suggesting a damn thing. Give us your definition of a weapon designed for warfare. As far as I know every nearly every weapon ever produce in the history of the world has had 2 roles, procurement of food and warfare. So again, please, for the record state what your definition of a weapon of warfare is.

 

[Dos Perros]

Nope.

I'm asserting that people conveniently ignore stuff when it suits their bias. And you're proving my point.

How would you react to that quote if a Democrat had said it? People just brush that shit off all the time because it's a Trump quote.

My work filter won't let me read the Hill, so I haven't read it.

You're making assumptions about me, and all I have asked is questions. How's that for bias?

 

[cuerro viejo]

What, in your mind, makes us more free than Canadians?

At the moment yes. He have the means to stand up to totalitarian rule, theirs is progressively declining. Freedoms and rights…

Hell you can set Federal Building and Churches on fire with zero consequences apparently

 

[Wyobohunter]

There is not a firearm made that I am aware of that couldnt be considered a weapon of warfare. Weapon of warfare would also roll up knives, bow, spear, and freakin rocks as far as that goes. They have all been used in warfare. I am simply asking him to define his argument.

And I’m saying that some weapons were specifically designed for war and some are not. Wether we should be allowed to own them is another argument. I own several.

 

[Newtosavage]

I am not suggesting a damn thing. Give us your definition of a weapon designed for warfare. As far as I know every nearly every weapon ever produce in the history of the world has had 2 roles, procurement of food and warfare. So again, please, for the record state what your definition of a weapon of warfare is.

"for the record..." LOL

"designed for warfare" is the definition. It literally means the weapon was designed to be sold to the military. example - the AR-15.

Why does that bother you so much. Facts are just facts.

 

[Hoodie]

My work filter won't let me read the Hill, so I haven't read it.

You're making assumptions about me, and all I have asked is questions. How's that for bias?

Maybe I was wrong to assume. But you asked me if I thought Trump was more pro gun control than Biden, so I assumed you didn't think that he was.

All I can do is pay attention to what people say. What Trump said was as directly anti-2A as literally anything I've heard Biden say at any point in his political career. There's really not a way to read into it. He said "take the guns first, go through due process second."

That's not an ambiguous statement.

 

[Newtosavage]

At the moment yes. He have the means to stand up to totalitarian rule, theirs is progressively declining. Freedoms and rights…

Hell you can set Federal Building and Churches on fire with zero consequences apparently

You and I don't have the means to stand up to totalitarian rule. Not since tanks and aircraft with machine guns and bombs were invented. This myth that persists that the 2A protects us from tyranny is cute, but not reality.