Trying to make reloading easier.

Nice. Little on the slow side, but looks like the gun really likes it. 20” barrel? Give N565 a try if you want to sneak some more speed out in the same pressure window. You’ll get closer to 100% burn rate, especially with a shorter barrel.
How are you liking the gun? Can a guy seat pretty long in them, I know they got lots of mag length. I’m hoping we see some 6mm ph3’s up here soon.
 
Nice. Little on the slow side, but looks like the gun really likes it. 20” barrel? Give N565 a try if you want to sneak some more speed out in the same pressure window. You’ll get closer to 100% burn rate, especially with a shorter barrel.
How are you liking the gun? Can a guy seat pretty long in them, I know they got lots of mag length. I’m hoping we see some 6mm ph3’s up here soon.
Love the gun. Seekins are my fav. I have 3 of them. I was a little concerned my 1st range visit with it as I was shooting crap groups with 140g Sierra TGKs and H4831sc, but, now that I realized that it came from the factory with loose action screws and tightened them- I feel much better about it. 20" barrel yes. I've been looking for N565 for a bit now. Can only get on the other side of the country and delivery chaps my ass. So for now I'll wait. You can seat them pretty long. I'm also very interested in 6mm but I'm under the impression that their barrels don't last long due to the speeds they produce. You're thoughts on the 6.25mm? Anyway, thanks for your help earlier. It really helped. Here's a pic of the PH3.
 

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Love the gun. Seekins are my fav. I have 3 of them. I was a little concerned my 1st range visit with it as I was shooting crap groups with 140g Sierra TGKs and H4831sc, but, now that I realized that it came from the factory with loose action screws and tightened them- I feel much better about it. 20" barrel yes. I've been looking for N565 for a bit now. Can only get on the other side of the country and delivery chaps my ass. So for now I'll wait. You can seat them pretty long. I'm also very interested in 6mm but I'm under the impression that their barrels don't last long due to the speeds they produce. You're thoughts on the 6.25mm? Anyway, thanks for your help earlier. It really helped. Here's a pic of the PH3.
Gonna upgrade the scope to a NF NX8 2.5 x 20 sometime soon. Also I gotta say I find the PH3s much heavier than the PH2s. It doesn't bother me though. I like heavier rifles for mag cartriges. But my PH3 weighs the same as my 26" barrel PH2 in 7prc. The Apex Hunter scope on the PH3 is heavy though.
 
Throw a supressor on there!


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It's Canada bro. It's totally illegal cuz of the Fruitcake Governement. They recently banned almost all semi-autos. Handguns can't be sold now etc. I'm just glad I'm into bolt action long range precision. They will one day be after me though I pressume.
 
😂. Yep. I wish we could have suppressors. Had a moment the other day and cracked one off without ear pro out my shop window.

Check Prophet river for powder. Purolator is still around $60. But if a guy can wait until he needs a bunch of stuff their prices are usually $15 or so cheaper than my local prices, so it evens out the shipping costs on bigger orders. For one jug though, I agree. No way I’m paying that to ship it.
 
😂. Yep. I wish we could have suppressors. Had a moment the other day and cracked one off without ear pro out my shop window.

Check Prophet river for powder. Purolator is still around $60. But if a guy can wait until he needs a bunch of stuff their prices are usually $15 or so cheaper than my local prices, so it evens out the shipping costs on bigger orders. For one jug though, I agree. No way I’m paying that to ship it.
You Canadian?
 
I'm always chasing the best possible accuracy. Hunting accuracy doesn't suffice for me. I literally chase the dragon and probably always will. A blessing and a curse I suppose.
I get it. Me too at times. But I recommend you buy 6mm whizbangmatch of some flavor with a cut rifled barrel for that venutre. Learn to let good enough be good enough for your hunting rifles.
For example, I should be happy with this... and I am. But... I want more.
See above.

I 100% get what you are saying. But if I'm being a "node chode" and I can find excellent SD/es at 70.3 grains for example but the SD/es is worst at 70.9, wouldn't my approach make this method significant?
No. Not unless you shoot a lot of rounds at 70.3 and a lot more at 70.9 and the difference in SD/ES holds. But absent something funny going on (like being over pressure), I would not expect there to be an actual, repeatable difference in SD/ES between those two charge weights. And that's setting aside whether velocity SD/ES actually matters and when, a topic I'll leave alone.

I thought from the thread title you wanted to make this easier.

Pick a middle of the road charge weight and shoot a 10-20 shot group. If it doesn’t shoot well, change bullets or powder.

Easy approach. Forget fine tuning charge weight, forget nodes and ladders.

If it shoots, and you want to shoot closer to max, just add powder until you match book velocity. Velocity is pressure. Read the manual, figure out how much powder to add to hit your target velocity via basic algebra, shoot 10 over chrono to verify and start cranking out ammo.
This. A bullet-powder combination either shoots or it doesn't. You need to shoot at least 10 rounds to begin seeing it. Why waste components shooting extra?

Mind you, I don't actually do this most of the time, though I do something close. Most of the time I shoot a "velocity ladder" at 100 yards when I'm first trying out a new bullet-powder combination. 1-2 shots at each powder charge, .5 grain increments apart, up to .5 grains over book max, shot over a chronograph. But I'm not looking for "nodes." I'm doing it mostly to record the velocity spread for my own OCD and to make sure I don't see pressure signs at or slightly after book max. I shoot them all at the same POA. If those 10 shots are at or under 1.5 inches, it'll be "good enough" when everything is the same powder charge. At 100 yards, this happens a lot even with muzzle velocities 100-200 fps apart. Then I'll load 10 or 20 at the powder charge that gets me my target velocity (under book max) and validate. If not, or if I can't get my target velocity before pressure signs or book max, then I'll change powder or bullet and try again.

If I didn't have a chronograph or didn't care about recording the velocities during load development, I would just pick a safe charge and shoot 10 at the same charge weight to begin with. I do this occassionally and it works, I just don't have the benefit of knowing what velocity my barrel will achieve at book max or the comfort of knowing I won't see pressure signs up to book max when I do it.
 
Find the bullet your barrel loves then work a load up.
I mostly listened to others or articles and used their recipe and bullet the barrel loved.
 
Mind you, I don't actually do this most of the time, though I do something close. Most of the time I shoot a "velocity ladder" at 100 yards when I'm first trying out a new bullet-powder combination. 1-2 shots at each powder charge, .5 grain increments apart, up to .5 grains over book max, shot over a chronograph. But I'm not looking for "nodes." I'm doing it mostly to record the velocity spread for my own OCD and to make sure I don't see pressure signs at or slightly after book max. I shoot them all at the same POA. If those 10 shots are at or under 1.5 inches, it'll be "good enough" when everything is the same powder charge. At 100 yards, this happens a lot even with muzzle velocities 100-200 fps apart. Then I'll load 10 or 20 at the powder charge that gets me my target velocity (under book max) and validate. If not, or if I can't get my target velocity before pressure signs or book max, then I'll change powder or bullet and try again.
This is a really good thread and will likely help a lot of reloaders who a struggling with load development efficiency, mixed in with a bit of reloading enjoyment of fine tuning and tinkering.

When I develop a load I'm primarily seeking to obtain near maximum velocity without risk of over-pressure. Yet, I am still mixing in a bit a OCD and enjoyment of dialing the final chosen load. To obtain my goal of near max velocity without overpressure risk, I basically do the same as Okie_Poke.

I research load books and online discussion on the caliber, powder, and bullet combination and then load 3 rounds each at 1 grain under max, and 0 grains under max (6 rounds total). I shoot over a chronograph, so I usually find that 1 grain under max shoots just under my desired velocity, and the max load shoots a bit over my desired velocity.

If there are no pressure signs in either of these two loads, then my OCD kicks in and I will then will load 3 more of each in 0.2gr increments to further tune my velocity. For example if I'm fine tuning between 71.0 gr and 72.0gr, then I will load 3 each at 71.2, 71.5. 71.7 (9 rounds).

This method usually requires shooting a total of 15 rounds to choose a load.

When I choose my final load, I will shoot 20 rounds to verify acceptable velocity, accuracy, ES, SD.

OnTarget TDS is a great tool for analyzing groups. Look into using it or something similar.

Finally, it has been well stated previously that accuracy or velocity nodes do not exist if you are shooting large enough groups to establish a significant population of data points.
 
This is a really good thread and will likely help a lot of reloaders who a struggling with load development efficiency, mixed in with a bit of reloading enjoyment of fine tuning and tinkering.

When I develop a load I'm primarily seeking to obtain near maximum velocity without risk of over-pressure. Yet, I am still mixing in a bit a OCD and enjoyment of dialing the final chosen load. To obtain my goal of near max velocity without overpressure risk, I basically do the same as Okie_Poke.

I research load books and online discussion on the caliber, powder, and bullet combination and then load 3 rounds each at 1 grain under max, and 0 grains under max (6 rounds total). I shoot over a chronograph, so I usually find that 1 grain under max shoots just under my desired velocity, and the max load shoots a bit over my desired velocity.

If there are no pressure signs in either of these two loads, then my OCD kicks in and I will then will load 3 more of each in 0.2gr increments to further tune my velocity. For example if I'm fine tuning between 71.0 gr and 72.0gr, then I will load 3 each at 71.2, 71.5. 71.7 (9 rounds).

This method usually requires shooting a total of 15 rounds to choose a load.

When I choose my final load, I will shoot 20 rounds to verify acceptable velocity, accuracy, ES, SD.

OnTarget TDS is a great tool for analyzing groups. Look into using it or something similar.

Finally, it has been well stated previously that accuracy or velocity nodes do not exist if you are shooting large enough groups to establish a significant population of data points.
This is probably the most helpful explanation for me. Thanks a ton brochacho! I will take this advice seriously as it is pretty much exactly what I was looking for. It serves my goal of wanting to shorten my reload dev testing yet allows my OCD in the science to be utilized. Very well explained which is also what I needed. Super clear and concise. I thank you sir! You are greatly appreciated.
 
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