Trump goes all KGB on EPA

[elkduds]

Trump admin orders EPA contract freeze and media blackout

Media blackout, comrade?

 

[castandblast]

MSN...... not worth clicking on let alone reading.

 

[mmw194287]

MSN...... not worth clicking on let alone reading.

It's an AP report. If you'd rather read it elsewhere, google "Contract Freeze and Blackout" (from the headline) and the first 5 pages of results are the same article in different newspapers/media outlets.

 

[Lip_Ripper Guy]

Many people working for private companies would be fired if they posted internal memos on social media. Why should government workers be any different?

 

[mmw194287]

Many people working for private companies would be fired if they posted internal memos on social media. Why should government workers be any different?

The scenario you're describing has nothing to do with anything in the article. Did you read it?

 

[gelton]

I didn't read the AP article but I read about this elsewhere, he did the same at the Dpt. of Ag...I think what he is referring to is the person who shared the internal memo with the AP.

 

[1signguy]

As a business owner and rancher with first hand experience- The EPA is the most evil and vile group of environmental wackos ever assembled- This lot has collectively cost the country millions of jobs and in the process hurt those who can least afford it.

We all want clean air, clean water, and to protect our natural resources. But these efforts must be balanced in approach. After all, what good is clean air or clean water if you can't feed your children because you don't have a job?

I hope Trump neuters the EPA to the point everyone just quits. Maybe this will serve as a shot across the bow to all governmental agencies and remind them, "You are in place to serve the people of the United States and not your own political or other self serving needs and goals!"

Okay- off the soap box. lol

 

[Lip_Ripper Guy]

The scenario you're describing has nothing to do with anything in the article. Did you read it?

I certainly read all about it today, from at least 5 different sources.

 

[mmw194287]

I certainly read all about it today, from at least 5 different sources.

So then what about federal agencies no longer being able to issue official press releases, post to official social media accounts, or update official blogs (i.e. communicate directly with the public) reminds you of a private employee posting an internal company memo to their own private social media feed? Or were you referring to the email on which the story is based? If that's the case, the important distinction (I would argue) is that those emails are public record and you and I have a right to see them. I have no right to see the internal memos of a private company.

 

[R_burg]

As a business owner and rancher with first hand experience- The EPA is the most evil and vile group of environmental wackos ever assembled- This lot has collectively cost the country millions of jobs and in the process hurt those who can least afford it.

We all want clean air, clean water, and to protect our natural resources. But these efforts must be balanced in approach. After all, what good is clean air or clean water if you can't feed your children because you don't have a job?

I hope Trump neuters the EPA to the point everyone just quits. Maybe this will serve as a shot across the bow to all governmental agencies and remind them, "You are in place to serve the people of the United States and not your own political or other self serving needs and goals!"

Okay- off the soap box. lol

From someone that sees this issue differently, I would like to learn about your point of view. Do you have anything that relates to facts to back up your opinion, or can you expound? At this point its pretty much conjecture. I would appreciate seeing it so I can learn where you are coming from.

 

[elkduds]

As a business owner and rancher with first hand experience- The EPA is the most evil and vile group of environmental wackos ever assembled- This lot has collectively cost the country millions of jobs and in the process hurt those who can least afford it.

EPA is the law of the land, enacted to prevent industry from continuing to destroy air, water, land. Why? Because industry only cares for the environment as much as legally forced to.

We all want clean air, clean water, and to protect our natural resources. But these efforts must be balanced in approach. After all, what good is clean air or clean water if you can't feed your children because you don't have a job?

Disagree. Many will happily sacrifice clean air, water and fish/game habitat for profit. Cue $Big Oil$. Watch and see. Big Oil is Trump's KY, and every American is getting some from him. Next comes the Big Shove. As Trump erases environmental protections, you will see declines in sage habitat, water quality, game herds that depend on sage and water, fishing, air quality.

I hope Trump neuters the EPA to the point everyone just quits. Maybe this will serve as a shot across the bow to all governmental agencies and remind them, "You are in place to serve the people of the United States and not your own political or other self serving needs and goals!"

The service American people need is air to breathe, water, food. Government-subsidized record corporate profits serve 10 or 20 CEOs, not we the people. How 'bout we start with raising grazing fees on government lands to the same price as private grazing fees. End the socialist welfare of artificially low grazing and mineral royalties. Let those businesses survive without my tax dollars, by paying full value for what they take from taxpayers' property. That would serve the people of the United States.

The EPA isn't a secret intelligence operation. Hiding its presidential undoing is straight outta Putin's playbook.

 

[gelton]

The constitution guarantees that only Congress shall write and execute laws. When left up to agencies they are regulations which are the ghosts of laws. All of the things posted here regarding Big Oil etc, are hogwash - if it is such a problem, have congress address it and pass the law.

Look at the Dpt of Education - when it was created we were #1 in the world in education. Now, 40 years later, hundreds of billions of dollars later we are 18th.

Look at the Dpt. of Energy - it was created to decrease our reliance on foreign oil. 40 years later and hundreds of billions of dollars later we import more oil than we did when it was created.

Look at the Dpt of Agriculture - when it was created the U.S. was the breadbasket of the world, now we import most of our food.

Federal Agencies, and I mean most if not all, including the EPA have been and continue to be a catastrophic failure.

From the Declaration of Independence - HE HAS ERECTED A MULTITUDE OF NEW OFFICES, AND SENT HITHER SWARMS OF OFFICERS TO HARASS OUR PEOPLE, AND EAT OUT THEIR SUBSTANCE.

 

[maninthemaze]

I am a control room operator at a coal fired power plant in KY. Everyone wants their electricity to be cheap. They cry when the power company has to raise rates to cover the new emissions regulations that the EPA inflicts upon us. We currently have an emissions limit on mercury emissions that we can't meet. Why? Because the technology isn't there to remove the amount of mercury they want us to. So we pay a fine to the EPA. Seems sort of self sustaining, doesn't it. Set limits that no one can meet, then reap in the profits from fines. Even if the technology was there, we wouldn't be allowed to raise the rates high enough to cover the cost. And just for the record, we are what's called a co-op. We are owned by the customers who pay the bills. We are a non profit. We don't have ceo's making millions.

Just like carbon emissions. They blame it all on power plants and automobile exhaust. How many millions of lb/mmbtu of carbon enter the atmosphere from a forest fire? I'm suprised California hasn't figured out a way to fine someone for the emissions created during a forest fire.

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[castandblast]

It's an AP report. If you'd rather read it elsewhere, google "Contract Freeze and Blackout" (from the headline) and the first 5 pages of results are the same article in different newspapers/media outlets.

That makes it factual and delivered without biased statements from people on only one side of the debate? Hardly!

It sounds to me like they earned the muzzle by tweeting anti-Trump rhetoric and advertising that they are not going to play ball with the new boss. Not smart at all but typical of entrenched power bases when feeling threatened. Talk about shifting the crosshairs onto your own forehead!

 

[ChrisS]

Just like carbon emissions. They blame it all on power plants and automobile exhaust. How many millions of lb/mmbtu of carbon enter the atmosphere from a forest fire? I'm suprised California hasn't figured out a way to fine someone for the emissions created during a forest fire.

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The math is pretty straightforward and has been calculated out.



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[tipsntails7]

Many people working for private companies would be fired if they posted internal memos on social media. Why should government workers be any different?

Depending on what it is, it's not confidential. Most things can be attained through information acts or requests.


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[Beendare]

Do you work for the federal gov?

Gov employees are supposed to be working for us...the people. Tax dollars...many have forgotten that.

Obama had been using the EPA as an attack dog against business in our country....kudos for Trump trying to take it back.

 

[tipsntails7]

Do you work for the federal gov?

Gov employees are supposed to be working for us...the people. Tax dollars...many have forgotten that.

Obama had been using the EPA as an attack dog against business in our country....kudos for Trump trying to take it back.

Me?


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[sneaky]

The EPA has gotten too accustomed to running amuck. I'll take a wait and see approach to what the long term strategy is for this play. The EPA essentially destroyed our industrial base, and they get away with bloody murder. Remember when the good ol EPA dumped all that crap into the Animas river? We got a "whoops, sorry, won't happen again". Who was held accountable for that? No one.

 

[freebird134]

I knew that I was just going to be disappointed in people when I opened this thread. But I did it anyway....

Remember when hunters were the real conservationists? I've been arguing for a while that things have changed, and most hunters have lost their way. This thread just confirms that.