TRT

[PredatorSlayer]

How many of you guys had low levels and do not drink any alcohol? I feel like my levels are likely low, based on how I feel. But i also drink routinely and everyone says alcohol crushes your T levels.

I like to think that a lot of our problems could be solved by changing what we put in our bodies. I'm just curious how many had low levels even with a healthy diet/lifestyle. No judgement on my part regardless.

I have never had a drop of alcohol in my life.

 

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[Team4LongGun]

All-
Serious question here, would like to hear some opinions.

Has anyone experienced their blood pressure go up after the very first injection?

My first was last Friday and yesterday I had such a bad headache and eye blur, I checked it and low number is up on average 25.
There is no other change in diet, rx, habits etc to point to.
My doc said possible allergic reaction to cottonseed oil delivery fluid, but I had no sign at injection site.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

On what grounds did these tyrants decide this BS? Do you have a link to the official ban? You try and go through a doctor and do things the right way and the gov goes out of its way to force you to the black market. Does anyone still believe that the massive drop in testosterone levels across the western population wasn't intentional?

I've been on an off cycle. The last time I got a prescription would have been prior to this. I've got a tag up with my doc in a few weeks, where we're going to discuss what to do next.

Basically my point when i posted to your initial response,it’s out of reach for most people.
Big pharma has some in trials so they can get there hand in it.
Trials by the same organization thats flagged it making it harder to get.

 

[KMW831]

I haven't had a chance to read the thread, but wanted to respond real quick. I'm 45. Got tested a couple years ago, pretty consistently between 200-250. Doc wanted to put me on TRT. I was "meh" on the idea, for a number of reasons.

Went and saw a doc that focused on hormone health, and did proscribe TRT, but took a real holistic, let's try some other things first approach.

Figured out some vitamin deficiencies, started tracking sleep better, focused on NOT overtraining (I tend t0 ride, lift, hike etc every day like I'm still 20, while sleeping and recovering like a middle aged dude with kids and busy job... so lots of volume little recovery).

Have tried to be more conscious of all the stuff that turns up on typical lists of test killers (Xenoestrogens/additives/SUGAR).

Got some legit vitamin sups, focused on D3, B, Magnesium and Zinc. Started my fats again (fish oil etc) upped my protein, added some animal fats (stopped skipping the red meat and bacon, butter, upped the eggs, etc).

Dialed in my lifting, heavy, or short and intense calisthenics, but volume appropriate for my age and schedule. Reigned in the high levels of steady state cardio, and swapped some of that for HIIT type stuff. Dropped "junk volume" and isolation work (bicep curls and things like that) and focused on the old school compound movements and some calisthenics. Mostly using Wendler 5/3/1 templates and similar.

Really pushed myself to get better sleep. Not just more, but better. No Screens before bed. Stretch out, do some breath work (Wim Hoff) and some I'm a bad-ass type visualizations and meditation. Kill the porn and and alcohol as much as you can if doing that.

The results are pretty consistent numbers from about 750-900. Pretty good for natty, lifestyle change efforts. TRT may become necessary one day, but I'm all about doing everything that I NEED TO do first. I didn't want to go TRT until I made personal improvements and checked my discipline first. Then if that didn't work after a legit effort, fine. But it worked.

It's funny though, shit diet, some sugar, 3-5 days of bad sleep and those levels plummet.

I am super interested in some of the SERMS and similar, particularly enclomiphene. Have had friends swear by CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin for healing injuries.

​

 

[PredatorSlayer]

All-
Serious question here, would like to hear some opinions.

Has anyone experienced their blood pressure go up after the very first injection?

My first was last Friday and yesterday I had such a bad headache and eye blur, I checked it and low number is up on average 25.
There is no other change in diet, rx, habits etc to point to.
My doc said possible allergic reaction to cottonseed oil delivery fluid, but I had no sign at injection site.

I haven’t experienced any of those things.

 

[Tx_300wsm]

You guys that are on TRT, have you developed acne and have you found anything that helps?

I’ve started getting it on my chest, back and hairline. Been using a body wash with salicylic acid but hasn’t made a difference. I’ve been reading that taking b5 and using head and shoulders might help and am going to start with that today but am open to other suggestions.

 

[big44a4]

You guys that are on TRT, have you developed acne and have you found anything that helps?

I’ve started getting it on my chest, back and hairline. Been using a body wash with salicylic acid but hasn’t made a difference. I’ve been reading that taking b5 and using head and shoulders might help and am going to start with that today but am open to other suggestions.

No acne here. No reaction to grapeseed oil that the TRT is suspended in either.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Nope,most guys may develop alittle until acclimated but it’s usually due to very large doses.

 

[Neckbone]

I haven't had a chance to read the thread, but wanted to respond real quick. I'm 45. Got tested a couple years ago, pretty consistently between 200-250. Doc wanted to put me on TRT. I was "meh" on the idea, for a number of reasons.

Went and saw a doc that focused on hormone health, and did proscribe TRT, but took a real holistic, let's try some other things first approach.

Figured out some vitamin deficiencies, started tracking sleep better, focused on NOT overtraining (I tend t0 ride, lift, hike etc every day like I'm still 20, while sleeping and recovering like a middle aged dude with kids and busy job... so lots of volume little recovery).

Have tried to be more conscious of all the stuff that turns up on typical lists of test killers (Xenoestrogens/additives/SUGAR).

Got some legit vitamin sups, focused on D3, B, Magnesium and Zinc. Started my fats again (fish oil etc) upped my protein, added some animal fats (stopped skipping the red meat and bacon, butter, upped the eggs, etc).

Dialed in my lifting, heavy, or short and intense calisthenics, but volume appropriate for my age and schedule. Reigned in the high levels of steady state cardio, and swapped some of that for HIIT type stuff. Dropped "junk volume" and isolation work (bicep curls and things like that) and focused on the old school compound movements and some calisthenics. Mostly using Wendler 5/3/1 templates and similar.

Really pushed myself to get better sleep. Not just more, but better. No Screens before bed. Stretch out, do some breath work (Wim Hoff) and some I'm a bad-ass type visualizations and meditation. Kill the porn and and alcohol as much as you can if doing that.

The results are pretty consistent numbers from about 750-900. Pretty good for natty, lifestyle change efforts. TRT may become necessary one day, but I'm all about doing everything that I NEED TO do first. I didn't want to go TRT until I made personal improvements and checked my discipline first. Then if that didn't work after a legit effort, fine. But it worked.

It's funny though, shit diet, some sugar, 3-5 days of bad sleep and those levels plummet.

I am super interested in some of the SERMS and similar, particularly enclomiphene. Have had friends swear by CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin for healing injuries.

​

How long did it take to notice a change in your labs? Very cool and good job!

 

[Team4LongGun]

Nobody else had any change in blood pressure?

 

[D S 319]

Nobody else had any change in blood pressure?

It’s a possible side effect for sure. I’d just continue to monitor personally. Maybe it’ll work itself out.

 

[KMW831]

How long did it take to notice a change in your labs? Very cool and good job!

Thanks.

From when I got serious about making changes, it was roughly three months to get from 254 ng/dL to 727 ng/dL

 

[oldskool67]

Nobody else had any change in blood pressure?

It’s a common side effect

 

[Formidilosus]

Nobody else had any change in blood pressure?

It happens sometimes. Can be eliminated or mitigated in various ways, however the quickest and easiest while checking with a legit hormone DR, is to donate blood.

 

[gbflyer]

What means “natty”?

 

[Mike Islander]

I haven't had a chance to read the thread, but wanted to respond real quick. I'm 45. Got tested a couple years ago, pretty consistently between 200-250. Doc wanted to put me on TRT. I was "meh" on the idea, for a number of reasons.

Went and saw a doc that focused on hormone health, and did proscribe TRT, but took a real holistic, let's try some other things first approach.

Figured out some vitamin deficiencies, started tracking sleep better, focused on NOT overtraining (I tend t0 ride, lift, hike etc every day like I'm still 20, while sleeping and recovering like a middle aged dude with kids and busy job... so lots of volume little recovery).

Have tried to be more conscious of all the stuff that turns up on typical lists of test killers (Xenoestrogens/additives/SUGAR).

Got some legit vitamin sups, focused on D3, B, Magnesium and Zinc. Started my fats again (fish oil etc) upped my protein, added some animal fats (stopped skipping the red meat and bacon, butter, upped the eggs, etc).

Dialed in my lifting, heavy, or short and intense calisthenics, but volume appropriate for my age and schedule. Reigned in the high levels of steady state cardio, and swapped some of that for HIIT type stuff. Dropped "junk volume" and isolation work (bicep curls and things like that) and focused on the old school compound movements and some calisthenics. Mostly using Wendler 5/3/1 templates and similar.

Really pushed myself to get better sleep. Not just more, but better. No Screens before bed. Stretch out, do some breath work (Wim Hoff) and some I'm a bad-ass type visualizations and meditation. Kill the porn and and alcohol as much as you can if doing that.

The results are pretty consistent numbers from about 750-900. Pretty good for natty, lifestyle change efforts. TRT may become necessary one day, but I'm all about doing everything that I NEED TO do first. I didn't want to go TRT until I made personal improvements and checked my discipline first. Then if that didn't work after a legit effort, fine. But it worked.

It's funny though, shit diet, some sugar, 3-5 days of bad sleep and those levels plummet.

I am super interested in some of the SERMS and similar, particularly enclomiphene. Have had friends swear by CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin for healing injuries.

​

This all makes perfect sense. I'm 61 and went from 280 to 540 in a pretty short time. I do the following:

1. Sleep 8-10 hours a night
2. Sunlight exposure (no shirt, sometime shorts) 20-30 minutes a few times a week. I just walk around my industrial area at work. I generally do it barefoot to toughen my feet for international surf trips. It also provides "earthing", which doesn't raise T (that I know of) but has lots of benefits.
3. NO prepared foods. All fresh. Generally meat proteins (lots of venison, beef, pork, and some limited chicken, since I am a bit allergic to chicken) and veggies.
4. Alcohol = less than one drink per week
5. Moderate exercise 2 -3 days a week (lifting 50 pound sacks of salt for my job, etc.)
6. Extreme exercise about 1 day per week (off road dirt bike for up to 2 hours on hard trails)

Of everything I do, I would say 1, 2, and 6 have by far the most effect on how I feel. And I believe how I feel reflects my T levels.

T is on the horizon, but we're not there yet.

NOTES:
Sun: Sunlight exposure can raise free TESTOSTERONE by up to 69%. There is mounting evidence that sun exposure in the absence of sunscreen decreases the rate of skin cancer. Australian lifeguards have the lowest rates of skin cancer in Australia. The highest rates of skin cancer in the UK occur in office workers who have little to no sunlight exposure.

Vitamin D is likely the most significant steroid hormone that raises free testosterone in the blood. And sunlight is the most efficient method of increasing this hormone.

Sleep: The majority of the daily free testosterone release in men occurs during sleep. Poor sleep significantly reduces testosterone.

Exercise: In older men HIIT seems to be the most effective type of exercise for non-transient increased testosterone. Probably why I feel so much more manly after riding the dirt bike.

 

[*zap*]

What means “natty”?

 

[KMW831]

This all makes perfect sense. I'm 61 and went from 280 to 540 in a pretty short time. I do the following:

1. Sleep 8-10 hours a night
2. Sunlight exposure (no shirt, sometime shorts) 20-30 minutes a few times a week. I just walk around my industrial area at work. I generally do it barefoot to toughen my feet for international surf trips. It also provides "earthing", which doesn't raise T (that I know of) but has lots of benefits.
3. NO prepared foods. All fresh. Generally meat proteins (lots of venison, beef, pork, and some limited chicken, since I am a bit allergic to chicken) and veggies.
4. Alcohol = less than one drink per week
5. Moderate exercise 2 -3 days a week (lifting 50 pound sacks of salt for my job, etc.)
6. Extreme exercise about 1 day per week (off road dirt bike for up to 2 hours on hard trails)

Of everything I do, I would say 1, 2, and 6 have by far the most effect on how I feel. And I believe how I feel reflects my T levels.

T is on the horizon, but we're not there yet.

NOTES:
Sun: Sunlight exposure can raise free TESTOSTERONE by up to 69%. There is mounting evidence that sun exposure in the absence of sunscreen decreases the rate of skin cancer. Australian lifeguards have the lowest rates of skin cancer in Australia. The highest rates of skin cancer in the UK occur in office workers who have little to no sunlight exposure.

Vitamin D is likely the most significant steroid hormone that raises free testosterone in the blood. And sunlight is the most efficient method of increasing this hormone.

Sleep: The majority of the daily free testosterone release in men occurs during sleep. Poor sleep significantly reduces testosterone.

Exercise: In older men HIIT seems to be the most effective type of exercise for non-transient increased testosterone. Probably why I feel so much more manly after riding the dirt bike.

That's awesome, looks like fun trails. Here's a picI took Wednesday after finishing up an after school ride with 3 of my sons. Dirt bikes are definitely good for the T levels

 

[KMW831]

What means “natty”?

Natural.