Trigger Test

[DR33]

I am new to this, so forgive me if this has already been done and discussed, but has Ryan and Form done a drop test on the Bix and Andy trigger? It seems that the only truly safe trigger in the Rem 700 and clones is the Geissele 700, which doesn't seem to be available anymore, so I am looking for other options.
Thanks

 

[Hunter14]

I’ve had no issues with Triggertech. I own 4 of them. Use them for competition and hunting.

 

[DR33]

I personally have not had an issue with the few 700s I have owned over the years, but had some concerns after hearing a discussion about potential discharges during drop tests on some 700 triggers. I am planning a new build and want the safest combination I can put together.
Thanks for your input.

 

[Wiscgunner]

Both of these trigger actually block the firing pin when on safe and not just stock the actual trigger from moving.

XTSP REM Style MOD 22 Target Trigger (no safety)

Overview The Model 22 trigger is the successor to the already popular and proven CG Jackson trigger, internally referred to as the Mod 21. The Mod 21 was designed to be universal and fit a variety of popular actions. However, in the Remington action, the Model 21 had clearance issues when...

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David Tubb T7T two-stage trigger (fits remington 700 style actions) Right Hand Standard Weight

Tubb T7T two stage trigger (fits Remington 700 style actions; the smooth pull and crisp break make this one of the best triggers on the market;

www.davidtubb.com

 

[JohnJohnson]

Both of these trigger actually block the firing pin when on safe and not just stock the actual trigger from moving.

XTSP REM Style MOD 22 Target Trigger (no safety)

Overview The Model 22 trigger is the successor to the already popular and proven CG Jackson trigger, internally referred to as the Mod 21. The Mod 21 was designed to be universal and fit a variety of popular actions. However, in the Remington action, the Model 21 had clearance issues when...

triggersandscopes.com

David Tubb T7T two-stage trigger (fits remington 700 style actions) Right Hand Standard Weight

Tubb T7T two stage trigger (fits Remington 700 style actions; the smooth pull and crisp break make this one of the best triggers on the market;

www.davidtubb.com

Accurate for both, with a couple of caveats. The XTSP is the easiest to make unsafe via user adjustments of all two-stage triggers BigJimFish tested on SH. And the Tubb will require some additional inletting to your bottom metal or stock.

Also a wildcard is the fact that Geissele appears to have finished their redesign of the Super 700 trigger since it's offered in the new rifle they just came out with.

 

[Wrench]

I have 5 bix triggers and two in the mail right now. They're my preferred option. They break clean but more importantly they're serviceable. I am encouraged to clean it. I can change shoes for 30 bux. I can get different sear heights.....it's the right answer for me.

 

[Formidilosus]

I am new to this, so forgive me if this has already been done and discussed, but has Ryan and Form done a drop test on the Bix and Andy trigger?

Drop test? No. However, I am using a B&A TacSport. It fees fine, however is one of the most sensitive to debris and freezing of any aftermarket trigger I have used. Going from being in the cold, to a warm truck or house for a few minutes and the rifle sweating, back to outside in the cold results in light strikes or a frozen trigger over half the time. I also had some light strikes from heavy dust last year.

Additionally in one of the S2H classes we took @Dioni A Tikka and poured sand/gravel into the trigger and action to see what happened. Action was a but touch cycling, and the trigger weight increased for a few shots- but worked fine. He shot it for an hour so so, then poured water from a bottle into it. Went straight back to normal after that.

We did the same to the Bix N Andy TacSport, and it immediately locked up with a dead trigger. After 4-6 cycles and pulls it cleared and fired, but would intermittently get a dead trigger until it was flushed.

 

[Axlrod]

Drop test? No. However, I am using a B&A TacSport. It fees fine, however is one of the most sensitive to debris and freezing of any aftermarket trigger I have used. Going from being in the cold, to a warm truck or house for a few minutes and the rifle sweating, back to outside in the cold results in light strikes or a frozen trigger over half the time. I also had some light strikes from heavy dust last year.

Additionally in one of the S2H classes we took @Dioni A Tikka and poured sand/gravel into the trigger and action to see what happened. Action was a but touch cycling, and the trigger weight increased for a few shots- but worked fine. He shot it for an hour so so, then poured water from a bottle into it. Went straight back to normal after that.

We did the same to the Bix N Andy TacSport, and it immediately locked up with a dead trigger. After 4-6 cycles and pulls it cleared and fired, but would intermittently get a dead trigger until it was flushed.

Are these BnA triggers in Tikkas? If not are BnA for Tikkas the same as the ones for Rem 7oo's reliability wise?

 

[Formidilosus]

Are these BnA triggers in Tikkas? If not are BnA for Tikkas the same as the ones for Rem 7oo's reliability wise?

No, the one I used is an R700.

 

[Axlrod]

No, the one I used is an R700.

So no experience w/Tikka BnA?
I have one and it has worked fine 1000+ rounds, but no real harsh conditions. If there are issues i will get a factory single stage Tikka trigger. I got the BnA to replace a 2 stage Tikka, that i did not like.

 

[Dioni A]

Can confirm he did throw sand and gravel in my Action. Lol.
Surprisingly, it wasn’t the sand that fowled up @Formidilosus trigger. There was enough room for a 50% smaller than pea sized piece of gravel to get inside the trigger and lock it up. The trigger seemed very exposed to debris.

 

[Formidilosus]

So no experience w/Tikka BnA?
I have one and it has worked fine 1000+ rounds, but no real harsh conditions. If there are issues i will get a factory single stage Tikka trigger. I got the BnA to replace a 2 stage Tikka, that i did not like.

No experience with B&A Tikka triggers.

 

[Wrench]

If you look at the side of a bix tac sport and see the sear/connector pin sticking out and the hook that grabs it....it just cannot move with the safety on.

 

[Wiscgunner]

If you look at the side of a bix tac sport and see the sear/connector pin sticking out and the hook that grabs it....it just cannot move with the safety on.

But blocking the sear is much different than blocking the firing pin.

 

[Wrench]

But blocking the sear is much different than blocking the firing pin.

Look at the walker.....it's the same.

 

[Wiscgunner]

Look at the walker.....it's the same.

I'm sorry, I'm not following. What "walker" I am I looking at to compare or is that a typo?

 

[Wrench]

In reference to the rem 700 style trigger, the firing pin is held in place by the sear. The sear is literally pinned in place when on safe with a bix trigger.

If you can slam fire a bix on safe, you should ask your gunsmith why he is just putting parts together and not measuring pieces.....bix has various sear height options to eliminate tolerance stacking.

 

[cmo5t]

Remington’s grooved “Walker” style triggers have been in use (especially w/ military and LE) since late 40s, however that’s what drove most of Remington’s lawsuits. I haven’t had an issues personally, but safest bet with a 700 is don’t cycle the bolt / chamber a round until you’re ready to rock.

 

[Wapiti1]

Both of these trigger actually block the firing pin when on safe and not just stock the actual trigger from moving.

XTSP REM Style MOD 22 Target Trigger (no safety)

Overview The Model 22 trigger is the successor to the already popular and proven CG Jackson trigger, internally referred to as the Mod 21. The Mod 21 was designed to be universal and fit a variety of popular actions. However, in the Remington action, the Model 21 had clearance issues when...

triggersandscopes.com

David Tubb T7T two-stage trigger (fits remington 700 style actions) Right Hand Standard Weight

Tubb T7T two stage trigger (fits Remington 700 style actions; the smooth pull and crisp break make this one of the best triggers on the market;

www.davidtubb.com

These are not firing pin block safeties. The XT uses leverage to unload the sear, but in no way contacts the firing pin, or cocking piece to block it. The 2-stage Tubb has a dual sear arrangement where the first stage takeup allows load onto the main sear (more or less). Yes, I am familiar with both designs. I am not saying anything about their safety, usefulness, etc. Just stating that they are not as you have described, and that is an important distinction.

If you want a firing pin block safety, a Gentry 3-pos bolt shroud safety is required. This, IMO, is the best setup regardless of platform and what I have installed on my two R700's with Shilen non-safety triggers. Sadly, the trigger itself is still susceptible to gremlins, but I've had good service from the Shilens.

Jeremy

 

[TaperPin]

I personally have not had an issue with the few 700s I have owned over the years, but had some concerns after hearing a discussion about potential discharges during drop tests on some 700 triggers. I am planning a new build and want the safest combination I can put together.
Thanks for your input.

The fear mongering of the ambulance chasing attorneys that put Remington out of business, has worked so well, common sense gun owners start believing the slanted reporting of 60 minutes and quoting biased sources without questioning it in the slightest. The back stories of the court cases that started all his are questionable at best, and outright complete misrepresentations in many cases, as would be expected with lawyers with huge incentives to make money for themselves.

I highly encourage folks to spend time reading the backstories. Faulty trigger defense didn’t convince a jury in the shooting death of one kid and the shooter was sentenced to prison. Another kid was killed by a ricocheting bullet as his mother unloaded the gun - my mother grew up on a ranch with guns in her hands since she could barely hold them and wouldn’t trust her to point a rifle in my direction and cycle a bolt action. The guy pulling a loaded rifle out of a closet when it went off, even though the police department couldn’t get the rifle to duplicate the trigger failure.

There are two drop tests the fear mongers love to talk about yet nobody actually talks about what’s involved. The military test is similar to the SAAMI test, but at 1.5 meters, whereas SAAMI is at 4’.

Military trigger pulls have always been ridiculously heavy, and drop tests are what we can thank for factory rifles having similar heavy pulls. At one time SAAMI had a footnote that drop tests aren’t appropriate for pulls under 3 lbs.

The jar-off test used to be used so often it was common sense that everyone did after replacing or adjusting triggers - when’s the last time anyone here even talked about bouncing the butt of a rifle on a carpeted floor? I’ve heard fear mongers here poo poo Remingtons, while claiming their Winchesters adjusted to light weight were perfectly safe, which they don’t do well on a jar-off test. The internet has empowered an entire generation to adjust things blindly and pat each other on the back for making the rifle unsafe.

Tikka trigger.. how light is too light?

I dropped a new after market trigger spring in my Tikka t3x. So far it has performed perfect. It doesn't fire with the drop test, always resets when bolt is worked. But I picked up a wheeler trigger gauge and it's reading 1.25 pounds. Is this too light for safety? Like I said it's working...

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