Trigger Test

The fear mongering of the ambulance chasing attorneys that put Remington out of business, has worked so well, common sense gun owners start believing the slanted reporting of 60 minutes and quoting biased sources without questioning it in the slightest. The back stories of the court cases that started all his are questionable at best, and outright complete misrepresentations in many cases, as would be expected with lawyers with huge incentives to make money for themselves.

I highly encourage folks to spend time reading the backstories. Faulty trigger defense didn’t convince a jury in the shooting death of one kid and the shooter was sentenced to prison. Another kid was killed by a ricocheting bullet as his mother unloaded the gun - my mother grew up on a ranch with guns in her hands since she could barely hold them and wouldn’t trust her to point a rifle in my direction and cycle a bolt action. The guy pulling a loaded rifle out of a closet when it went off, even though the police department couldn’t get the rifle to duplicate the trigger failure.

There are two drop tests the fear mongers love to talk about yet nobody actually talks about what’s involved. The military test is similar to the SAAMI test, but at 1.5 meters, whereas SAAMI is at 4’.

Military trigger pulls have always been ridiculously heavy, and drop tests are what we can thank for factory rifles having similar heavy pulls. At one time SAAMI had a footnote that drop tests aren’t appropriate for pulls under 3 lbs.

The jar-off test used to be used so often it was common sense that everyone did after replacing or adjusting triggers - when’s the last time anyone here even talked about bouncing the butt of a rifle on a carpeted floor? I’ve heard fear mongers here poo poo Remingtons, while claiming their Winchesters adjusted to light weight were perfectly safe, which they don’t do well on a jar-off test. The internet has empowered an entire generation to adjust things blindly and pat each other on the back for making the rifle unsafe.


I drop my rifles on the butt about 18” when adjusting the trigger pull. While not 4’ I feel quite confident in my equipment as I don’t use safeties because I find them to too often provide faulse confidence.

My Tubb triggers do block the firing pin/cocking piece by forcing the sear upward and jamming it in place. Although not as robust as blocking the firing pin like a 3 position safety like a Ruger, it is extremely safe if you are the type to believe in them.

Personally drop testing the sear engagement is more important than the safety because an empty chamber on a rifle is always better than a safety lever that people “think” they engage 100% of the time but in reality do not.
 
I am new to this, so forgive me if this has already been done and discussed, but has Ryan and Form done a drop test on the Bix and Andy trigger? It seems that the only truly safe trigger in the Rem 700 and clones is the Geissele 700, which doesn't seem to be available anymore, so I am looking for other options.
Thanks


Not a drop test, however snow and ice function eval with the Bixn-Andy trigger included.

 
when’s the last time anyone here even talked about bouncing the butt of a rifle on a carpeted floor?

Pretty new to shooting sports. I've assumed this is just standard procedure and I do it any time I've installed or adjusted a trigger. Lately I changed to cardboard over concrete.

After reading that SAMI document, thank you very much for posting that, I wonder how reliable my testing is. I'm doing it unloaded with no magazine, and I've only done vertical, butt down.

Regarding pull weight, the document still says, in section 3.b Exceptions:
"The requirements of this Standard are not appropriate for firearms primarily intended for
formal target shooting, and therefore this Standard does not apply to firearms whose trigger
pull is designed to be less than three pounds"

I do my meager test regardless of pull weight or the rifle's intended use. If the pin drops, it ain't leaving my house.
 
Pretty new to shooting sports. I've assumed this is just standard procedure and I do it any time I've installed or adjusted a trigger. Lately I changed to cardboard over concrete.

After reading that SAMI document, thank you very much for posting that, I wonder how reliable my testing is. I'm doing it unloaded with no magazine, and I've only done vertical, butt down.

Regarding pull weight, the document still says, in section 3.b Exceptions:
"The requirements of this Standard are not appropriate for firearms primarily intended for
formal target shooting, and therefore this Standard does not apply to firearms whose trigger
pull is designed to be less than three pounds"

I do my meager test regardless of pull weight or the rifle's intended use. If the pin drops, it ain't leaving my house.

I like it. With something as important as a trigger, having any kind of safety test is much better than just adjusting a mechanism outside where it was designed to function, crossing fingers and hoping.

Bringing up a jarring test is somewhat like posting a DIY project from 1950s Popular Mechanics magazine showing how to build a hotdog cooker with two nails powered directly from a lamp cord. With good judgement it works just fine, but for a segment of the population, causes more problems than it solves.

I’ve never damaged a rifle with this type of test, but the advice from others that have is to avoid putting all the stress on the toe of a wood stock in case the grain direction causes a big chunk to break free. In the advent of composite stocks, at first they were considered many times more durable than wood, but we see many failures in hidden defects and light construction. Someone would usually never know if a pistol grip was missing a layer of reinforcing fabric, and I’d feel bad if they discovered it while doing a drop test. Same goes for the filler used around receivers either compressing or not well adhered to the outer shell. Built well, even a 16 ounce Kevlar stock blank holds up to heavy 375 H&H recoil and all sorts of tests, but it’s quite hard to tell if someone’s $800 fancy pants stock was built on a Friday afternoon by someone not all that interested in being there, or still hungover Monday morning.

Keep up the good work. Just sharing it with others shooters that might not even know how to go about it is well worth it.

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