Triangle X Ranch in Wyoming

[taz_gerstman]

Good day everyone. I have heard from several friends good things about Triangle X ranch in Wyoming. I am looking to try to do an elk hunt with them in a few years. I was just seeing if anyone on here has had experience with them and might could provide me some information or dos and donts, etc. thanks

 

[mntnguide]

Sent you a PM...i guided for them for 5 years. Top of the line operation

 

[Elk guy]

Sent you a PM...i guided for them for 5 years. Top of the line operation

Sent you a PM...i guided for them for 5 years. Top of the line operation

I too am looking at this outfitter. I currently have 9 points as of 2020. Not sure if I'm close to drawing a tag or not yet?. Is this a late season hunt?

 

[mntnguide]

I too am looking at this outfitter. I currently have 9 points as of 2020. Not sure if I'm close to drawing a tag or not yet?. Is this a late season hunt?

They hunt general tag areas, so you would draw a tag guaranteed.. the late season migration hunts, you are nowhere near drawing unfortunately

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[Elk guy]

They hunt general tag areas, so you would draw a tag guaranteed.. the late season migration hunts, you are nowhere near drawing unfortunately

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How many points is the late season tag?

 

[MTN BUM]

How many points is the late season tag?

It (the better one) takes max points. And then some (lots of) luck

 

[Rsully661]

I called to book a hunt afew days ago, looking at 2025 or 2026 for the next spot. Everything I’ve read is very positive.


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[mntnguide]

How many points is the late season tag?

For the best late season tags...i believe Max points are needed and then it's still under 10% chance currently... so you're a long way off from one of those

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[Elk guy]

It (the better one) takes max points. And then some (lots of) luck

With that said never if I'm at 9 points

 

[MTN BUM]

With that said never if I'm at 9 points

Correct. A simplified example to explain why:

Assume you were at 9 points ten years ago. Ten years ago the units we are talking about took somewhere around 10-12 points to draw. If you just looked at your 9 points and assumed that you needed 1-3 points, you would make the assumption that you would draw in 3 years. So you kept applying. Not only would you not have drawn at 3 years, you would still not have drawn as of this year and would be at 19 points. You would now be at 19 points, and 3-5 points behind the top units. So after applying for 10 years, you would now be 2 points FURTHER behind the top units. Why is this? Point creep. These preference point systems are maturing. There are fewer "premium" tags than there are max point holders. As the system matures, only a handful of people are removed from the max point pool each year, meaning points needed to even have a chance goes up by one every year. Until ALL of the max point folks draw, then the process starts over with everyone who was one point below this. If you extrapolate this to take into account the number of tags issued to top point pools (often a number that is very small, 1-5 commonly), and the number of people in that pool (often large, in the hundreds sometimes) some pretty simple math tells you that it will take you 5-10 years (depending on unit) to gain a single point closer to the max points for your unit. This doesn't even take into account the phenomena of people just buying points and not applying. Turns out, that's a lot of people too. As these folks jump in you can actually lose MORE than one point of progress every year. In my example, that's how you went from 3 points behind to 5 points behind even though you now have 10 more points than you previously did.

Its pretty intriguing stuff, and in my opinion a stark warning to ID/NM on why pure pref point systems are a problem for new hunters. Lots of good threads here on the topic.

 

[AaronMColeman]

This is why I can never give up my wy residency. That pint creep makes it so hard. I wish I could think of a better way and convince fish and game to listen to me

 

[Bighorn2021]

I did the dude rich an spoke with them about elk hunting. Good people.

 

[CAElkhunter]

That is why with 12 points I am just going to apply to a unit that will draw with 12 and stop paying to accumulate points that will likely never get better. I am sure I will have a great time in a 12 pt unit.
Point creep....amazing. Great way for WY to make money from people.