Traditional Muzzleloader Shooters timid?

[BRTreedogs]

Not every inline is a scoped, smokeless.

My Oregon legal has an open port in the breach, musket, cap, loose powder, all lead conical.

How is it sooooooo much more of an advantage my musket cap is behind the powder?

But to hunt the Montana Heritage I need to buy a different rifle ?

Just so it has a side hammer or whatever it’s called.

It’s stupid. My rifle offers no advantage except maybe being lighter.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Not every inline is a scoped, smokeless.

Yeah this is the part that has been confusing the entire thread. Do some folks not realize this or as noted is the requirement in their mind to have a smooth bore and notched sights or what? Its bizarre to get fixated on the configuration of the ignition system in this.

 

[Wrench]

Not every inline is a scoped, smokeless.

My Oregon legal has an open port in the breach, musket, cap, loose powder, all lead conical.

How is it sooooooo much more of an advantage my musket cap is behind the powder?

But to hunt the Montana Heritage I need to buy a different rifle ?

Just so it has a side hammer or whatever it’s called.

It’s stupid. My rifle offers no advantage except maybe being lighter.

The argument for cleaning/unloading can be made. If you screw up and put in a wad or bullet before the powder or if the bore gets wet, on an inline you just push it through where a sidelock can be involved and require busting some caps. In lines also have a safety vs cocking the hammer to shoot.

Subtle but there are some advantages.....not that it matters to me.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Yeah this is the part that has been confusing the entire thread. Do some folks not realize this or as noted is the requirement in their mind to have a smooth bore and notched sights or what? Its bizarre to get fixated on the configuration of the ignition system in this.

I’m just not sure there is any knocking sense into the hollier then thou crowd.

Typically I just treat them the same as I would an lgbtq left wing wacko.

There in left field and there is no consoling them as they will just move onto the next hollier then thou disaster to try and take from others to make themselves feel justified.

 

[Ditt44]

Archery: torn rotator cuff x2 on my right shoulder. I took up crossbow hunting in 2020. Still have to get close to the deer and while I spent more than I needed, I wanted the best gear I could afford and use ethically to take a deer. It might be 'scoped' to shoot 100 yards but my limit is 50.

ML: I own five flint and three cap guns and have bought and sold dozens more. I also have an inline which I prefer over center-fire rifles and use when it is legal or more practical in over-lapping seasons. In PA our early ML season runs in mid-October and although I used it one year, I'm archery hunting all thru that week because I prefer to take a doe later and have no interest in dragging both the crossbow and inline with me.

I have hunted in general firearms seasons with either a percussion or flint .50 now and then, especially if I've taken a buck in archery season. My favorite small game gun is a TC Cherokee in .32 with a peep sight because of my aging eyes.

I sort of fall in the 'if it is legal, then you can use it' group. However.... I do believe that ML seasons that have led to smokeless power, muzzle brakes, and guys chucking bullets hundreds of yards is, well, ridiculous.
In a more purist but not puritanical sense, I would rather see ML seasons being restricted to the "1850" ish era weapons/reproductions. Meaning, non-magnified scopes (1x for those with vision impairments), allow peeps, loose (edit) black (/edit) powder, patched ball or bore-sized conical. The challenge should be the key here, not heading out with a schmancy same-as single shot "rifle" capable of high-end ballistics at 200, 300, 400 yards. It is just not the same.

Caveat to high-density deer areas: sometimes you need to tweak the rules to manage populations where habitat is broken by sprawl, etc. Eastern PA being a good example where extended rifle seasons now exist well into late January... some areas restricted to MLs or shotgun, but still extended weeks with more than capable weapons. And we all know manufacturers drive or try to drive a lot of these 'rules' for their own profit.

To each his own, but I suppose those of us who are aging start falling back to the basics. Many of us have been there and done that and now it is more appealing and challenging to use a more basic/primitive weapon, by choice.

 

[Ditt44]

I’m just not sure there is any knocking sense into the hollier then thou crowd.

Typically I just treat them the same as I would an lgbtq left wing wacko.

There in left field and there is no consoling them as they will just move onto the next hollier then thou disaster to try and take from others to make themselves feel justified.

... and many of us on the left-of-center can say pretty much the same thing about the 'wacko' crowd further to the right of 'don't tread on me but you can't paint your front door yellow' mindset.

There is plenty of selfishness all around. If people would just stop being manipulated into thinking this is an "us versus them thing" and would just let people live their lives and maybe try to get along... well, this county would be in a far better place that it is right now.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I sort of fall in the 'if it is legal, then you can use it' group. However.... I do believe that ML seasons that have led to smokeless power, muzzle brakes, and guys chucking bullets hundreds of yards is, well, ridiculous.
In a more purist but not puritanical sense, I would rather see ML seasons being restricted to the "1850" ish era weapons/reproductions. Meaning, non-magnified scopes (1x for those with vision impairments), allow peeps, loose powder, patched ball or bore-sized conical. The challenge should be the key here, not heading out with a schmancy same-as single shot "rifle" capable of high-end ballistics at 200, 300, 400 yards. It is just not the same.

The bolded part can all be accomplished with an inline muzzle loader with the only difference being a more reliable ignition system. Its literally what CO requires in its muzzle loader season.

I absolutely acknowledge muzzle loaders that run smokeless powder with smaller bores and/or sabots and scopes is a different beast entirely but that is not what an "inline muzzle loader" inherently is, which some here seem to assume falsely.

 

[Ditt44]

The bolded part can all be accomplished with an inline muzzle loader with the only difference being a more reliable ignition system. Its literally what CO requires in its muzzle loader season.

I absolutely acknowledge muzzle loaders that run smokeless powder with smaller bores and/or sabots and scopes is a different beast entirely but that is not what an "inline muzzle loader" inherently is, which some here seem to assume falsely.

Yep... I should have said "Loose black powder" as that was my intention.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Yep... I should have said "Loose black powder" as that was my intention.

I understood that part and it doesn't change what I said, plenty of inlines shoot loose black powder (that is what CO requires for instance). The only "advantage" is a 209 primer directly behind the powder resulting in a more consistent ignition compared to some more traditional designs. The rest is the same (open sights, full bore projectiles, in the case of elk 50cal miminum).

 

[RockAndSage]

This conversation is starting to remind me more and more of how gun-controllers try to define "assault weapons" - unable to articulate basic definitions (assault, "inline", etc), but looking for features to ban. Scary black guns qualify, especially if they have a bayonet lug, but not a wooden-stocked Ruger ranch rifle. Scary bolt-action muzzleloaders with fancy ignition systems? Fancy globe sights? Carbon fiber assault stocks?

Call the Clintons.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Why isn’t anyone asking to restrict traditional more to prevent wound loss?

To be fair to the animals don’t they deserve a more effective method of take?

I’m sure they would prefer and fast death from a modern fire arm vs a round ball blowing there leg off by some Daniel Boone wanna be, that wants to keep it pure.

Where are the at lattle/ Speer hunters tell the those more modern “traditional “ muzzle loaders to F off?

If you want to be traditional keep that modern black powder round ball crap out of here.

Sharpen a rock and tie it to a stick and stab a critter to death.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Maybe chase some animals off a cliff and chew the apart.

No cooking with modern fire.

And don’t you dare wear shoes. That’s so modern.

 

[dsotm]

This conversation is starting to remind me more and more of how gun-controllers try to define "assault weapons" - unable to articulate basic definitions (assault, "inline", etc), but looking for features to ban. Scary black guns qualify, especially if they have a bayonet lug, but not a wooden-stocked Ruger ranch rifle. Scary bolt-action muzzleloaders with fancy ignition systems? Fancy globe sights? Carbon fiber assault stocks?

Call the Clintons.

Don't forget the super scary "thing that goes up"