Toyota vs SxS

[Steve300xcw]

Not rock crawling or anything like that. I won’t need high clearance or sliders. Think muddy BLM type roads with ruts etc. Or rocky roads a stock truck can make it through but you might break a tooth or drive 2 mph.

I've had my fair share of offroad trucks and jeeps. There are none of them id drive more than an hour or two away.

Some people have 10+hr trips to get to where theyre hunting.....

 

[Steve300xcw]

Agreed on the price of SxS. Crazy to think a used one is selling for $30k plus.

And that is for a rig without windshield wipers.......

 

[WRO]

6112's on the front, 5100's rear.

Rides like ass. Like my very blowed out 140k mile, been jumped at 60+mph oem crap rode better. Easily hands down the worst purchase I have ever made. And I dont have them cranked up all that much...

Gutted the OME springs and it helped but the front just sucks. If I could do it over, I would never spend the money on that crap

Been lookin into kings, and a spring under, long shackle deaver setup. Not quite there yet though

Are the 6112s notched up for a lift? That makes them ride like crap.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Are the 6112s notched up for a lift? That makes them ride like crap.

Yea you can move them around.

I'm all about as little lift as possible. I ran 32's on factory stuff for a while. Bumped up a hair with the 6112's for 33's and started cutting sheetmetal for the skinny 35's.

Outta the box they rode like shit and a tad more preload didnt help a damn thing...

 

[WRO]

Yea you can move them around.

I'm all about as little lift as possible. I ran 32's on factory stuff for a while. Bumped up a hair with the 6112's for 33's and started cutting sheetmetal for the skinny 35's.

Outta the box they rode like shit and a tad more preload didnt help a damn thing...

Which springs are you running?

are you running the 5100s in the rear or 5150s?

 

[Steve300xcw]

Which springs are you running?

are you running the 5100s in the rear or 5150s?

I bought this set



Then after my rear springs were used up. It got a set of OME's that I pulled a couple leaves out of.

 

[WRO]

I’m guessing you mediums or heavy’s for your coil over springs, but because it’s a single cab it didn’t have enough weight to load them properly.

Does it ride super stiff?


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[Steve300xcw]

They have settings on the struts for a 4banger single cab. Did not order any kinda heavy spring

But yea front is stiff as hell. The rear isnt bad now, after messing with the springs. Could always be better though.

Still my favorite rig. Just needs a bit more work and a bit more money lol.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

$30k was an estimate without much research. Obviously I would be fine if it was less haha.

Agreed on the price of SxS. Crazy to think a used one is selling for $30k plus.

Have you done anything to the suspension or is it still stock?

SxS are nice ride wise for sure.

I probably wouldn’t trailer this much if I got a truck. I’m thinking a Toyota version of a Raptor. If it wasn’t reliable or comfortable enough for me to make a 20 hour trip I wouldn’t really want it.

My SxS is street legal. I’ve used it in multiple states around the west without issue. Definitely worth it depending how you use it.

All stock so far. I am cheap, so when the stock stuff starts to go I will replace it with something better.

 

[BLJ]

I bought this set
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Then after my rear springs were used up. It got a set of OME's that I pulled a couple leaves out of.

Stock truck on 32's

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6112's an 33's..Did rub a bit

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Trimmed out for 35x10.5's
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Which 35x10.50’s? 4 cylinder or v6? Thanks.

 

[Poser]

I have the Bilstein 6112/5160 combo on my 4runner and, IMO, its a pretty great compromise for highway/offroad use. You can definitely get better off-road specific performance by going higher end, though.

 

[Wrench]

I have a 98 80 series cruiser that I routinely rip across nasty roads at high speeds. There is 0% concern for losing a ball joint and with full lockers at the turn of a switch it is plenty capable.

The price on these is climbing and they're not fast on the road, but they are killer when set up right.....nearly unbelievable actually.

 

[norcal7.3]

I’ve done both and honestly prefer the cabbed sxs option. It’s more of a hassle in the long run, but I don’t feel as bad thrashing on it vs the Tacoma. Plus the ride is much better in the sxs. I have been in Colorado after a thaw when the roads turned to gumbo and all the jeeps and small trucks were stuck as I drove right around everyone. That was the moment for me why I stand by the sxs.

 

[5MilesBack]

I have been in Colorado after a thaw when the roads turned to gumbo and all the jeeps and small trucks were stuck as I drove right around everyone.

What does the SxS have that would allow it to keep going but the Jeeps and trucks not going?

 

[UKwildcatfan]

Thinking of selling the SxS and buying a Tacoma. Most of my SxS usage is hunting. Usually either rough rocky roads or muddy roads. I don’t really off-road or anything like that.

I’ve got a 2020 Can-am Maverick. It’s a good machine overall. But there are 3 of us sometimes. It’s not fully enclosed so the wife gets cold. And on the muddy hunts we get covered in mud.

I thought about buying a 4 seat Can-am Commander. That would allow all of us to hunt together. It wouldn’t necessarily fix the mud and the cold though.

Then I thought about buying a Tacoma. Something in the 2012-2015 range with around 100k miles. I would get a good suspension installed on it so it rides more like a SxS.

The Toyota route would cost the most. But I also see it lasting longer. I haven’t priced out a suspension since I don’t even know which one I would want yet. I can get a truck in decent shape with 100k miles for around $20k most days. $10k more for the suspension? And I’m at $30k. I would hope to easily get another 100k miles out of the Toyota. I could also just drive the Toyota from the house and skip trailering the SxS.

Am I missing anything? Is a good suspension more like $20k? Anyone ditch the SxS for a pickup with a good aftermarket suspension?

Go Tacoma. Outfitter friend in NM runs nothing but Tacomas. Per him, run hard, they last several yrs while a SxS run hard has problems within a year. His experience and opinion.

 

[RichardSkinner]

What does the SxS have that would allow it to keep going but the Jeeps and trucks not going?

I am assuming weight, but when comparing to the majority of yahoos you have to view their whole approach.

Decent sized tires, airing down heavily and having a compressor for later, front and rear lockers, a winch, and a simple shovel will get a light tacoma a whole lot of places.

On this whole talk about suspension, I'd get selectable lockers front and rear before anything else (assuming already have proper tires and gearing). No light pods, no suspension

 

[norcal7.3]

What does the SxS have that would allow it to keep going but the Jeeps and trucks not going?

Significantly lighter weight is what I would attribute the success of the sxs over the Tacoma like vehicles.

 

[WRO]

They have settings on the struts for a 4banger single cab. Did not order any kinda heavy spring

But yea front is stiff as hell. The rear isnt bad now, after messing with the springs. Could always be better though.

Still my favorite rig. Just needs a bit more work and a bit more money lol.

Try adjusting your shock lift to 0 then use spacers to get it lift.

I don’t mind my 6112s that much, 5160s will make a difference in the rear. The 5100s don’t have enough oil in them to keep cool off your running them hard.


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[mxgsfmdpx]

I bought an old 2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The Rubicons come from factory with electronic front and rear lockers, electronic sway bar disconnect, dana 44 front and rear axles, and major components are protected by thick skid plates underneath. I don't really think folks realize how off road capable these things are in stock form since 90+% of them these days are "mall crawlers".

I lifted it and put 35's on it. It goes pretty much anywhere a SXS will go on the trails and canyons here in AZ. One thing I really like is I can remove the top and doors if I want to, or leave them on for a heated/air conditioned cab.

And the best part, I can drive it 10+ hours for hunts on the highway and not have to bring a truck and trailer, unload side by side, swap gear over to it, etc.

 

[Thinkingman]

Which bilsteins? I have run the 5100s, 6112s, and 8100s. The 5100s I hated.

I was going to mention I ran a 2006 Tacoma which NEEDED a suspension upgrade. OME springs (rear-Dakar with the third leaf removed and front was 883s) and 5100s WITHOUT PRELOAD.
The frame flex was noticeable and on one section of cobble, the rear window rattled out of the frame and I had to secure it with duct tape to get home and get it re-set.
The frame on Toyotas is going to be your limitation.
Become familiar with frame rust issues before you listen to the experts.