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Thanks for all of the replies, glad I'm not the only one on here worrying about this stuff. And sorry It's taken so long to reply.
@matthewmt 100% dude - I have tried the find the most natural soaps and shampoos I can - its pretty tricky though, you'll find yourself reading and looking up ingredients at the supermarket for hours. Side note, since changing my diet to be as naturally based as possible, and drastically lowering carbs especially refined carbs and eating mainly animal products, I have much less body odour, to the point where I can get away with not using any sort of deodorant unless I'm in the heat all day or working hard outside.
@TSAMP My wife and kids all have eczema so we've become really strict about doing the same now as well. Even if its labelled as organic cotton, it goes in the wash first time.
@Desk Jockey I 100% percent agree. We look back at things our ancestors were exposed to 100 years ago and think its nuts that it happened, and our ancestors will look back at us the same. The key word there is cumulative , so lowering exposure is key. I don't know if it would even be possible to get rid of all industrial toxins in you life if you tried, but minimisation is definitely achievable. Hopefully our body can take care of the rest. But depending on what it is it can be pretty frustrating for people around you. My wife is getting used to it but for a while there she was complaining about all the changes (until I showed her a few articles which were backing up what I was saying). It's just amazing how pervasive some of these chemicals have become in our daily lives and how hard it is to minimise them. PS I had no idea that they used BPA in steel!
@ozyclint OH I do mate, lucky indeed overall. Just slightly lighter downstairs. I'm sure our clothes were treated with permethrin. And we also had this awful insect repellent paste that contained it which we would smear on our clothes when going into insect infested areas. The stuff would literally melt plastic so I hate to think what it does to the body.
@goathunter Wow - like holy hell wow. I actually didn't realise that PFAS was used as DWR.
My favourite hunting pants are the Satu Adventure Pants from Outdoor Vitals - Just looked, they are also DWR treated
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@Formidilosus Thanks dude, reading through it now. For the record I have gone and gotten a heap of merino shirts, but it's becoming harder to find them without polyester or nylon blended in. I have some woollen outer layers but where I hunt here they are rarely needed. I've grabbed a bunch of OD and CB cotton t-shirts, but good non synthetic hunting pants for warm weather are trickier. Have not heard of Ventile Cotton before but looking into it.
@ResearchinStuff Ack - I'm still considering it
@Dobermann Yeah it's definitely a non-partisan issue. What I would love to see is some people in the hunting manufacturing industry tackle it, but I know it's a huge kettle of fish. I just found this article here that goes into a number of companies efforts to eliminate some of these chemicals from their products and its not an easy proposition: https://thedaily.outdoorretailer.co...utdoor-industry-is-tackling-the-pfas-problem/ Just imagine Sitka, Firstlite Kuiu etc having to do the same. Would they have to modify most of their 'technical' product line up? Does it matter as much if you're only wearing it when you're hunting?
@Mojave Thanks mate; I've definitely gone down the clean diet rout - you've basically described my diet 97% of the time. The only deviations from that are the occasional piece of sourdough bread or glass of wine on a special occasion, and I'm a sucker for mangoes in summer. I'm having a short break from the extreme carnivore thing but I'm going back to it soon, it does work wonders. I guess the simplest way to put it is minimisation of exposure to toxins is one key, and having a healthy body to take care of the rest is the other.
@doc holiday13 That's it man, this stuff is cumulative, and minimising exposure is the best we can do to help out body filter out what it can. I'm pretty concerned about BC also - its turning the freakin frogs you know what after all. I'm getting a reverse osmosis system for the house to deal with that as well as fluoride and other heavy metals; most BC exposure in my house would be through the water supply if anything.
@menhaden_man Hahaha, a picture says 1000 words, and a meme picture says 10000. 100%
@TaperPin That's it mate, this stuff is everywhere industrialised society is and in increasing amounts. I worked it manufacturing as well as in the Military, and the amount of stuff I know I was exposed to is mind boggling. Sometime I think we took a wrong turn at the start of the 20th century or so. I think about the Amish a lot (probably a lot more than is normal lol), but I always come back to the question... were the Amish right? I think they were probably more right than they are wrong. I know their reasoning was more spiritual/philosophical, but they would not be facing many of the problems I brought up to anywhere near the same degree. I have not visited an Amish community before as I live in Australia, but their way of life seems idyllic, it's pretty much what I aspire to on some level. You would not see their physical reality filled with synthetic product or toxins, and I'm sure their health outcomes are better than much of the rest of the US. I know they did much better through covid for one.
@5MilesBack Agreed, and I think there would be people concerned about this issue from all walks of life and parts of society.
@Elmer J. Fudd Thats it mate - we've been hunting as a species for thousands of years successfully in all environments without any of this toxic stuff around - we don't need it, and there's always a natural alternative around.
@TuckTruck I'd still wash everything thoroughly first. Just in case.
@gbflyer Thanks mate, same here. So far so good, only doing scans every year now, so the oncologist isn't as concerned. We've had the same PFAS controversy over here at a number of our military bases and some manufacturing areas; it's wild that it's been happening for so long. The liability for the government and corporations involved is massive. And how do you clean it up, if at all?
PS: More reading if anyone is keen:
www.theguardian.com
www.outsideonline.com
www.ehn.org
@matthewmt 100% dude - I have tried the find the most natural soaps and shampoos I can - its pretty tricky though, you'll find yourself reading and looking up ingredients at the supermarket for hours. Side note, since changing my diet to be as naturally based as possible, and drastically lowering carbs especially refined carbs and eating mainly animal products, I have much less body odour, to the point where I can get away with not using any sort of deodorant unless I'm in the heat all day or working hard outside.
@TSAMP My wife and kids all have eczema so we've become really strict about doing the same now as well. Even if its labelled as organic cotton, it goes in the wash first time.
@Desk Jockey I 100% percent agree. We look back at things our ancestors were exposed to 100 years ago and think its nuts that it happened, and our ancestors will look back at us the same. The key word there is cumulative , so lowering exposure is key. I don't know if it would even be possible to get rid of all industrial toxins in you life if you tried, but minimisation is definitely achievable. Hopefully our body can take care of the rest. But depending on what it is it can be pretty frustrating for people around you. My wife is getting used to it but for a while there she was complaining about all the changes (until I showed her a few articles which were backing up what I was saying). It's just amazing how pervasive some of these chemicals have become in our daily lives and how hard it is to minimise them. PS I had no idea that they used BPA in steel!
@ozyclint OH I do mate, lucky indeed overall. Just slightly lighter downstairs. I'm sure our clothes were treated with permethrin. And we also had this awful insect repellent paste that contained it which we would smear on our clothes when going into insect infested areas. The stuff would literally melt plastic so I hate to think what it does to the body.
@goathunter Wow - like holy hell wow. I actually didn't realise that PFAS was used as DWR.
My favourite hunting pants are the Satu Adventure Pants from Outdoor Vitals - Just looked, they are also DWR treated
.@Formidilosus Thanks dude, reading through it now. For the record I have gone and gotten a heap of merino shirts, but it's becoming harder to find them without polyester or nylon blended in. I have some woollen outer layers but where I hunt here they are rarely needed. I've grabbed a bunch of OD and CB cotton t-shirts, but good non synthetic hunting pants for warm weather are trickier. Have not heard of Ventile Cotton before but looking into it.
@ResearchinStuff Ack - I'm still considering it
@Dobermann Yeah it's definitely a non-partisan issue. What I would love to see is some people in the hunting manufacturing industry tackle it, but I know it's a huge kettle of fish. I just found this article here that goes into a number of companies efforts to eliminate some of these chemicals from their products and its not an easy proposition: https://thedaily.outdoorretailer.co...utdoor-industry-is-tackling-the-pfas-problem/ Just imagine Sitka, Firstlite Kuiu etc having to do the same. Would they have to modify most of their 'technical' product line up? Does it matter as much if you're only wearing it when you're hunting?
@Mojave Thanks mate; I've definitely gone down the clean diet rout - you've basically described my diet 97% of the time. The only deviations from that are the occasional piece of sourdough bread or glass of wine on a special occasion, and I'm a sucker for mangoes in summer. I'm having a short break from the extreme carnivore thing but I'm going back to it soon, it does work wonders. I guess the simplest way to put it is minimisation of exposure to toxins is one key, and having a healthy body to take care of the rest is the other.
@doc holiday13 That's it man, this stuff is cumulative, and minimising exposure is the best we can do to help out body filter out what it can. I'm pretty concerned about BC also - its turning the freakin frogs you know what after all. I'm getting a reverse osmosis system for the house to deal with that as well as fluoride and other heavy metals; most BC exposure in my house would be through the water supply if anything.
@menhaden_man Hahaha, a picture says 1000 words, and a meme picture says 10000. 100%
@TaperPin That's it mate, this stuff is everywhere industrialised society is and in increasing amounts. I worked it manufacturing as well as in the Military, and the amount of stuff I know I was exposed to is mind boggling. Sometime I think we took a wrong turn at the start of the 20th century or so. I think about the Amish a lot (probably a lot more than is normal lol), but I always come back to the question... were the Amish right? I think they were probably more right than they are wrong. I know their reasoning was more spiritual/philosophical, but they would not be facing many of the problems I brought up to anywhere near the same degree. I have not visited an Amish community before as I live in Australia, but their way of life seems idyllic, it's pretty much what I aspire to on some level. You would not see their physical reality filled with synthetic product or toxins, and I'm sure their health outcomes are better than much of the rest of the US. I know they did much better through covid for one.
@5MilesBack Agreed, and I think there would be people concerned about this issue from all walks of life and parts of society.
@Elmer J. Fudd Thats it mate - we've been hunting as a species for thousands of years successfully in all environments without any of this toxic stuff around - we don't need it, and there's always a natural alternative around.
@TuckTruck I'd still wash everything thoroughly first. Just in case.
@gbflyer Thanks mate, same here. So far so good, only doing scans every year now, so the oncologist isn't as concerned. We've had the same PFAS controversy over here at a number of our military bases and some manufacturing areas; it's wild that it's been happening for so long. The liability for the government and corporations involved is massive. And how do you clean it up, if at all?
PS: More reading if anyone is keen:
Toxic chemicals in outdoor products of leading brands, Greenpeace study finds
Environment group calls on outdoor clothing companies to phase out PFCs, which have been linked to reproductive and developmental problems
www.theguardian.com
The Best Rain Jackets in the World Will Soon Be Illegal—with Good Reason
Clothing companies have long relied on PFAS, or forever chemicals, to provide stellar water, stain, and oil repellency. But at what cost? New regulations are forcing your favorite apparel brands across the globe to rethink their chemistry.
www.outsideonline.com
Outdoor brands phase out PFAS, “forever chemicals,” ahead of state bans
Some products with PFAS — a common treatment for water and stain resistant outdoor apparel — will soon be illegal to sell in many states.
www.ehn.org
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