To Peep sight or not ?

[Hnthrdr]

Check out the large aperture rings available including “twilight” apertures (or take the aperture out and shoot it like a ghost ring) for low light.

Williams Aperture Twilight 3/8 Diameter .093 Hole Steel Black

Williams apertures are standard thread size and will accommodate Williams, Redfield and Lyman receiver sights. The Twilight series are designed for...

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That is what I’m using right now with the western precision globe, using a fiber optic, plus I threw in one of the other aperture/ cross hairs with the open center. Worked well… excepted when I whiffed on a 330+ bull last year

 

[Hnthrdr]

Check out the large aperture rings available including “twilight” apertures (or take the aperture out and shoot it like a ghost ring) for low light.

Williams Aperture Twilight 3/8 Diameter .093 Hole Steel Black

Williams apertures are standard thread size and will accommodate Williams, Redfield and Lyman receiver sights. The Twilight series are designed for...

www.midwayusa.com

Are you swapping appetures depending on time of day?

 

[ElDiablito]

Are you swapping appetures depending on time of day?

I have in the past, now I have an adjustable aperture that I love.

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[cnelk]

We went and shot our MLs this morning.
I lent one of mine to a buddy who drew a good tag and he’s a newbie to ML so he got dialed in with the specifics.

I only shot a couple rounds at 100yds. One hit the bullseye and the other was a couple inches low.

I think for now I’ll keep the stock sights, especially since I won’t be taking any long shots:
150 - 200yds +

 

[mighteywhitehunter]

Peeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

 

[longrangelead]

fwiw
learning to use a peep will double your range minimum. if you do all the things to make it shoot consistent, 250-300 yds is doable. back when I primarily hunted with a ml, I could hold 6" or smaller all day @ 250yds.
the other thing I recently started doing is using the Lyman globe front with a target post upside down so poa isn't obstructed in a hold over situation.
The KNS crosshair front sight fits in a 3/8" dovetail and gives a very precise poa...if you can see it. it takes practice and it's not fast but it can be very accurate.
currently I'm using a Williams FP Target rear peep with both for long range stuff and a basic Willams peep base on short range stuff.

 

[MoeFaux]

Definitely peep.

I'm not a muzzleloader guy, but I have two classic lever actions that I hunt with, both of which were topped with classic semi-buckhorn sights. I realized I couldn't see squat through those, and my time behind a bow engendered an affection for the peep-and-pin system.

I replaced both those rear sights with bullseye peep sights from Marble:



It's generous aperture won't be the best for precision shooting, but it also lets all the light through and doesn't obscure your target. For shots in the woods, I can't imagine anything quicker or more comfortable.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I was going to say it’s a balance, hunting open sage, smaller appeture the better. Hunting timber you need a bigger peep to let light in, you lose some precision but most shots will be 80 yards or less in timber

 

[TaperPin]

I tend to think the choice somewhat depends on the person. My eyes are slower to use open sights. Accuracy isn’t bad, say 2-1/2” 100 yard groups with a Renegade, but dang it’s slow. I went through a stage of seeing how accurate open sights can be, thinking I’ve just never spent enough time with them, but for my brain it’s hard to be quick with them. Pistol open sights are quick and accurate to use, so it must be something about the longer sight radius that screws me up.

 

[ElDiablito]

I have owned a muzzleloader for maybe 15 years, but done just a couple of years elk hunting with one. From maybe 2010 until 2023 it stayed in gun cabinet. In 2023 an opportunity came up to hunt elk on private land, so I got muzzleloader out and equipped it with a williams western globe sight. My son and I both killed elk, but we're still trying to improve accuracy beyond 100 yards. We hunt with a CVA Accura and Omega. I put a williams globe sight on Omega this past spring, but didn't get drawn for muzzleloader and ended up hunting rifle.
On the Omega, I put the globe on front and tried a peep I had from long ago.
My question is: Is a small aperture better or a larger one?

Is it best with globe front sight to use smallest possible aperture?

I have peeps on several of my muzzies. Using a larger aperture and/or “twilight” aperture usually helps in low light as @Hnthrdr says. It’s all about your eye seeing the front sight clearly. A smaller aperture usually allows your eye to focus more clearly on the front for longer range shooting.

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[longrangelead]

it's all about light. light through the sights and available ambient light.

I'm fooling with Palma/anchutz competition sights on a 223 right now. these sights have adjustable apertures front and rear. by adjusting the size of each aperture, it actually focuses the poa with the front sight. with the rear peep as close as functional or physically possible to your eye for a given rifle, you usually wind up with a ghost ring effect where you center the front sight in the rear ring with some daylight around the front. then center poa in the front sight.

That deals with light through the sights.

available ambient light will determine how big those apertures need to be, just like your eye's pupil, more light, smaller aperture.

the biggest hinderance to peeps is low light poa precision. That I don't have an answer for every situation.
testing your equipment in your environment is my only suggestion.

with the Williams peeps I run the .100" insert and remove it in low light using the threaded hole like a ghost ring.

I have found with consistent cheek weld and face position, the rear peep isn't as critical as you might think for reasonable accuracy. poa in the front sight is far more critical in my experience.

the attached pic is 2-4 rnd mags from a Tikka 223 @ 300 yds yesterday afternoon. That is the first group at 300 I've ever tried with a cf rifle too.

in my opinion, learning to use peeps accurately is a skill every serious shooter should master. I believe it is another way to build consistency.

I'm no master and have plenty to learn, I know just enough to be dangerous!

 

[longrangelead]

I have owned a muzzleloader for maybe 15 years, but done just a couple of years elk hunting with one. From maybe 2010 until 2023 it stayed in gun cabinet. In 2023 an opportunity came up to hunt elk on private land, so I got muzzleloader out and equipped it with a williams western globe sight. My son and I both killed elk, but we're still trying to improve accuracy beyond 100 yards. We hunt with a CVA Accura and Omega. I put a williams globe sight on Omega this past spring, but didn't get drawn for muzzleloader and ended up hunting rifle.
On the Omega, I put the globe on front and tried a peep I had from long ago.
My question is: Is a small aperture better or a larger one?

Is it best with globe front sight to use smallest possible aperture?

read my previous reply. I meant it as a reply to your question.
smaller is better but you have to be able to see too. light will determine what is right for the situation.

I would get a peep set up and shoot it in varied light conditions. pay attention to how well you can see and use the sights as well as how and when your accuracy is affected.
also know, shooting at a high contrast stationary target is entirely different than shooting at an animal that will have varying contrast if any and probably knows you're there so you're on the clock.

 

[wyosam]

it's all about light. light through the sights and available ambient light.

I'm fooling with Palma/anchutz competition sights on a 223 right now. these sights have adjustable apertures front and rear. by adjusting the size of each aperture, it actually focuses the poa with the front sight. with the rear peep as close as functional or physically possible to your eye for a given rifle, you usually wind up with a ghost ring effect where you center the front sight in the rear ring with some daylight around the front. then center poa in the front sight.

That deals with light through the sights.

available ambient light will determine how big those apertures need to be, just like your eye's pupil, more light, smaller aperture.

the biggest hinderance to peeps is low light poa precision. That I don't have an answer for every situation.
testing your equipment in your environment is my only suggestion.

with the Williams peeps I run the .100" insert and remove it in low light using the threaded hole like a ghost ring.

I have found with consistent cheek weld and face position, the rear peep isn't as critical as you might think for reasonable accuracy. poa in the front sight is far more critical in my experience.

the attached pic is 2-4 rnd mags from a Tikka 223 @ 300 yds yesterday afternoon. That is the first group at 300 I've ever tried with a cf rifle too.

in my opinion, learning to use peeps accurately is a skill every serious shooter should master. I believe it is another way to build consistency.

I'm no master and have plenty to learn, I know just enough to be dangerous!

I agree. I think the brain does a pretty good job centering the front globe in the peep. I shoot both mine open without an aperture installed most of the time. Only exception is if I feel like stretching them out at the range. Plenty accurate without at my self imposed limits hunting with either (150). I also tend to shoot better overall when I shoot those more as well.


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[elkivory]

read my previous reply. I meant it as a reply to your question.
smaller is better but you have to be able to see too. light will determine what is right for the situation.

I would get a peep set up and shoot it in varied light conditions. pay attention to how well you can see and use the sights as well as how and when your accuracy is affected.
also know, shooting at a high contrast stationary target is entirely different than shooting at an animal that will have varying contrast if any and probably knows you're there so you're on the clock.

I didn't mean to post this. I thought when I closed window it would delete. Too lengthy for question I was asking. Thanks for info.

 

[Gila]

Would like to try the merit Iris aperture on a Williams Western Precision peep. I would like to get the number 4 hunter but need to know what the shaft length is. Also are the threads on the peep sight 7-40-32?

 

[ElDiablito]

Would like to try the merit Iris aperture on a Williams Western Precision peep.

The way to go!

 

[Coueskiller43]

I just grabbed a Williams FP peep to run with my western precision front globe. Now I’m thinking I need a 510 German to go on it

 

[Coueskiller43]

My preference is the Williams Western Precision front globe with the small .019” fiber optic. To my knowledge, this is the smallest fiber optic on the commercial market.

.019 top and .029 bottom:


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Where can a guy get his hands on the .019 insert?

 

[ElDiablito]

Where can a guy get his hands on the .019 insert?

Haven’t looked for a few weeks - but I see ML has the green in stock.

Williams™ Western Precision Muzzleloading Sight Set - Fiber Optic Insert - 0.019" Bead - Green - 650208

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[Gila]

I just grabbed a Williams FP peep to run with my western precision front globe. Now I’m thinking I need a 510 German to go on it

Where can you buy a Gehmann PH510? From what I understand the Parker Hale model is needed to get the 7x32-40 threads for the Williams peep. I have been trying to find out what the diameter is because not much “room” for clearance on my Knight.