Tikka and NF SHV mount question

[Cahunter805]

Iv had enough talleys and had some Hawkins hybrids. They are not in the same league build quality wise.

I still wish Hawkins put a recoil pin in there. If they did I’d consider them.

Not a fan of the cap level either.

You can order the Hybrids directly from Hawkins without the cap level.
The recoil pin would be a nice addition also. Not to hard to do yourself either.

 

[Formidilosus]

Just curious Form, were those cracked Talley’s lapped?

I have a suspicion that a lot of the problem with Talley’s is due to their shitty out of round design, and the problems that come with the stress from torquing them back around a round object. Combined with heavier scopes and perhaps harder recoiling guns. Lap em round, avoid mags and heavy scopes with em. I think that helps.

While they definitely aren’t my first choice I’ve installed dozens of sets of Talley’s, always lapped, and never on anything bigger than a 30-06 and never with scopes over 24oz. Never seen one crack, yet. That said, I still don’t trust em on my serious guns.

Both lapped and not. The problem we’ve seen with lapping them, even done correctly, is scope slippage is a problem. Basically, the design or the material can not handle the required torque to truly keep things stable. 20in-lbs in the rings and they crack. Less then 20, things move and zero shifts from impacts happen.

Heavy scopes no doubt have something to do with it. On Tikkas, per the OP, there just isn’t any sane reason to use a ring that doesn’t utilize the integral rail on the action- tiny screws versus a clamp. Unless going or needing a pic rail. In that case I would get one with a recoil pin and glue like the factory does.

 

[Lawnboi]

You can order the Hybrids directly from Hawkins without the cap level.
The recoil pin would be a nice addition also. Not to hard to do yourself either.

Correct. When I had Hawkins rings I ended up ordering a bare top cap.

I went crazy and have 2 nx8s in spuhr trg mounts that I swap around on my tikkas currently.

 

[Alex Genereux]

Talley rings are great as well.

 

[Wrongside]

Talley LWs cracking isn't all that rare, IME. I've seen 2 crack, they'd been properly installed and torqued.

The SM are hard to beat on the Tikka T3x. Light and tough. Unless inclination is a requirement- then one of the pinned rails, bedded and torqued. I like the Area419, but buddies have had good luck with the Mountain Tac as well. Lots of good Pic rings to choose from, we've got a bunch of the Burris XTR Sigs in use.

 

[Tx_300wsm]

I just mounted up a 4-14x56 with Warne rings on my Tikka last night. Haven’t shot with it yet but the Warne rings I have on my other rifles are solid.

 

[Dobermann]

@ oxn939 They're ( sportsmatch To84) in stock at airgunsource Canada. $58 usd delivered after the conversion

And Tawnado is where many of us get them from: https://tawnadoairguns.com/sportsmatch_scope_mounts_13mm_15mm_17mm.php

 

[MTMeatHunter]

Heard that. I guess the issues with nicer options I have found so far are:

Sportsmatch is sold out everywhere

Leupold doesn't make 30mm lows

Mountain Tactical doesn't make their Raptor in 30mm low

Hawkins have that downward cant and the bubble level

The Warne Mountaintechs I generally use require the addition of a rail and the rings, which is heavy and clunky

So I was between Talleys and a DNZ game reaper one piece and went with the former because I've used them a bunch with no issues.

I’ll bring it up one more time so someone else can crap on me. Warne Maximas!

Pros:
- Mount directly to the integral Tikka rail
- Have a recoil lug
- Available
- Medium Warne Maximas are lower than Talley lows. Check out the measurements (.375 vs .51”)
- Made out of steel with a nice coating

Cons:
- Heavy at 5.something ounces
- Vertical split ring

I’ve had two pairs with zero issues. I’ve had one pair on an unbraked T3x lite in 300WM with a 3-10 SHV for four years. That thing weighs 8lbs and through all the shooting and killing, it’s been bombproof. It’s probably my most consistent setup.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

that vertical split ring con is a pretty serious con IMO. I tried 1 set 1 time, they were an absolute nightmare to get tight and the scope level, and there's a decent amount of evidence that vertical split rings mess up scope internals.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

Got ya. In my experience, some rings fit certain scopes better as the 30mm tube actual sizing seems to vary ever so slightly between manufacturers. On the two NFs I mounted in Maximas, I didn’t personally encounter any issues with tightening the rings. I haven’t had any internal issues with my NFs, but I don’t doubt that vertical rings could mess with thin walled scopes. Maybe Form can chime in on vertical rings with NFs? I dunno, that’s been my sample size of two. I understand a lot of folks don’t like them, but they’ve worked really really well for my two instances. Which isn’t much, I know!

 

[amassi]

And Tawnado is where many of us get them from: https://tawnadoairguns.com/sportsmatch_scope_mounts_13mm_15mm_17mm.php

Tawnado is shutting down.

 

[Formidilosus]

Maybe Form can chime in on vertical rings with NFs?

If you are going to use vertical splits rings, NF is your best bet. At the same time, if you can back and said your NF broke, etc. the first thing I and they would say is to not use vertical split rings. Vertical split rings have to be tightened at the base/one point, then the top or other point tightened. Doing so pinches the tube- like squeezing it with pliers.

 

[WeiserBucks]

@Formidilosus , got any opinion on ARC rings?

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus , got any opinion on ARC rings?

Work fine. Well engineered, though I’m not sure it makes a difference.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Work fine. Well engineered, though I’m not sure it makes a difference.

I've got a set in the mail, gonna give em a shot.

 

[Formidilosus]

I've got a set in the mail, gonna give em a shot.

Use their torque spec, not the scopes.

 

[Wrongside]

Tawnado is shutting down.

That’s too bad. His CS was excellent, in my experience.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

That’s too bad. His CS was excellent, in my experience.

I was always amazed how fast stuff got to my mailbox when I ordered from him. England to Alaska in like a week.

 

[Wrongside]

I was always amazed how fast stuff got to my mailbox when I ordered from him. England to Alaska in like a week.

Same here! England to Alberta in no time. And then he’d touch base to make sure it arrived and all was good.

 

[Dobermann]

That’s too bad. His CS was excellent, in my experience.

Yeah, that's a real shame.

Thanks @amassi for letting us know.