Tikka and NF SHV mount question

[SDHNTR]

Reviving this. What's the big difference between Hawkins hybrids and Talleys other than the bubble level?

The Hawkins are canted. The Talley’s are not.

 

[OXN939]

The Hawkins are canted. The Talley’s are not.

I must be missing something... these guys are canted somehow?

 

[MidGAHunter]

I must be missing something... these guys are canted somehow?

From your link: "Tikka T3x Hawkins hybrid rings. Ultra-light sleek design. 25 MOA built in can’t. Bubble level included. Available in 30mm or 34mm low sizes."

 

[SDHNTR]

I must be missing something... these guys are canted somehow?

Uhh yeah. 25 moa. Read the description.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Sportsmatch

 

[wind gypsy]

Reviving this. What's the big difference between Hawkins hybrids and Talleys other than the bubble level?

I've seen lots of reports on Talleys cracking. Hawkins certainly appears beefier but I've no experience with them.

 

[Lawnboi]

Iv had enough talleys and had some Hawkins hybrids. They are not in the same league build quality wise.

I still wish Hawkins put a recoil pin in there. If they did I’d consider them.

Not a fan of the cap level either.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Iv had enough talleys and had some Hawkins hybrids. They are not in the same league build quality wise.

I still wish Hawkins put a recoil pin in there. If they did I’d consider them.

Not a fan of the cap level either.

Would a recoil pin really do anything since they are bolted in place? Honest question. I thought on the sports match that recoil pin was mostly there because of the possibility of the rings sliding in the rail. That just isn’t possible when they are bolted on conventionally.

 

[Lawnboi]

Would a recoil pin really do anything since they are bolted in place? Honest question. I thought on the sports match that recoil pin was mostly there because of the possibility of the rings sliding in the rail. That just isn’t possible when they are bolted on conventionally.

Properly designed a recoil pin should carry some of the recoil force, or Atleast that’s my understanding. Small screws can only be torqued so much, and only resist so much force in the direction recoil is creating.

No different than a picatinny rail screwed on with recoil pins. Even tikka decided when it put on rails they needed pins, and went as far as to epoxy them.

There are even talleys and Hawkins out there for a few of the popular custom actions that have a recoil pin in place, even when the action utilizes 8-40 screws.

I’m not an engineer, but when almost everyone else in the high end rifle world is using some kind of pin, lug or massive screws to help resist shifting, loosening or breaking, it’s saying something.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Properly designed a recoil pin should carry some of the recoil force, or Atleast that’s my understanding. Small screws can only be torqued so much, and only resist so much force in the direction recoil is creating.

No different than a picatinny rail screwed on with recoil pins. Even tikka decided when it put on rails they needed pins, and went as far as to epoxy them.

There are even talleys and Hawkins out there for a few of the popular custom actions that have a recoil pin in place, even when the action utilizes 8-40 screws.

I’m not an engineer, but when almost everyone else in the high end rifle world is using some kind of pin, lug or massive screws to help resist shifting, loosening or breaking, it’s saying something.

Right on, I guess the only recoil pins I’ve ever seen were on sportsmatch rings and the rings tikka used to supply with the t3 rifles.

 

[Lawnboi]

Right on, I guess the only recoil pins I’ve ever seen were on sportsmatch rings and the rings tikka used to supply with the t3 rifles.

Most action companies have moved to integral or pinned rails now, even some factory rifles, I’d guess because heavy scopes and lighter rifles are becoming the norm.

Tikka was just ahead of its time.

 

[OXN939]

From your link: "Tikka T3x Hawkins hybrid rings. Ultra-light sleek design. 25 MOA built in can’t. Bubble level included. Available in 30mm or 34mm low sizes."

Good looks on that. They may want to hire someone to proofread their website. Lol.

I've seen lots of reports on Talleys cracking. Hawkins certainly appears beefier but I've no experience with them.

Interesting. I've had Talleys on a few rifles and no issues so far. Guessing those probably have to do with a combination of big mangums and light rifles

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Good looks on that. They may want to hire someone to proofread their website. Lol.



Interesting. I've had Talleys on a few rifles and no issues so far. Guessing those probably have to do with a combination of big mangums and light rifles

I've seen pics of broken talleys too but I have some on lightweight rifles that have been shot regularly for the past 5-6 years or so with no issues

 

[wind gypsy]

I still have talleys on a rifle or two. I think failure is pretty rare. It’s just the thought of a ring cracking at all when it’s near impossible to break a lot of the nicer options out there and if it happens you’re SOL that keeps me from buying talleys going forward.

 

[OXN939]

I still have talleys on a rifle or two. I think failure is pretty rare. It’s just the thought of a ring cracking at all when it’s near impossible to break a lot of the nicer options out there and if it happens you’re SOL that keeps me from buying talleys going forward.

Heard that. I guess the issues with nicer options I have found so far are:

Sportsmatch is sold out everywhere

Leupold doesn't make 30mm lows

Mountain Tactical doesn't make their Raptor in 30mm low

Hawkins have that downward cant and the bubble level

The Warne Mountaintechs I generally use require the addition of a rail and the rings, which is heavy and clunky

So I was between Talleys and a DNZ game reaper one piece and went with the former because I've used them a bunch with no issues.

 

[archp625]

Reviving this. What's the big difference between Hawkins hybrids and Talleys other than the bubble level?

Not sure. Never used Talley's. The Hawkins have been on three rifles I own and have never been an issue.

 

[Formidilosus]

I've seen pics of broken talleys too but I have some on lightweight rifles that have been shot regularly for the past 5-6 years or so with no issues

Of about 40’ish sets of Tally’s and just shooting and hunting, no abuse or drops or anything, I think I have seen 4-5 sets cracked, and another couple with cracks starting.

Heard that. I guess the issues with nicer options I have found so far are:

Sportsmatch is sold out everywhere

The longest I’ve waited for Sportsmatch was less then two weeks. Back order them.

 

[Lawnboi]

I’m not necessarily worried about breaking stuff shooting, more so when my rifle gets beat around hiking.

 

[SDHNTR]

Of about 40’ish sets of Tally’s and just shooting and hunting, no abuse or drops or anything, I think I have seen 4-5 sets cracked, and another couple with cracks starting.







The longest I’ve waited for Sportsmatch was less then two weeks. Back order them.

Just curious Form, were those cracked Talley’s lapped?

I have a suspicion that a lot of the problem with Talley’s is due to their shitty out of round design, and the problems that come with the stress from torquing them back around a round object. Combined with heavier scopes and perhaps harder recoiling guns. Lap em round, avoid mags and heavy scopes with em. I think that helps.

While they definitely aren’t my first choice I’ve installed dozens of sets of Talley’s, always lapped, and never on anything bigger than a 30-06 and never with scopes over 24oz. Never seen one crack, yet. That said, I still don’t trust em on my serious guns.

 

[amassi]

@ oxn939 They're ( sportsmatch To84) in stock at airgunsource Canada. $58 usd delivered after the conversion