Tikka 6.5 Creed 20" Load data

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Anybody running a load for this setup? recently picked up a 20" Tikka and while it loves factory 147 eldm, I can't help but want to see if I can gain any speed out of it. That load is going 2520 FPS. I'm also open to running other bullets as well. Things like the 130 TMK, 140 ELDM, & 143 ELDX. I already have an assortment of h4350 and a box of 143 ELDX, but I'm curious what kind of velocities people are getting with handloads in a 20" barrel. Thanks!

Edit - I'm planning on starting to reload on this within the coming months. I will be sure to update and post my findings here.
 
Bought one (t3x 20" 6.5cm) this summer. I went straight to RL16 for my powder for the very technical reason that I had ~2lbs of it and nothing that I need to use it in. Put another way, there are other powders that would work; I used what I had.

20" Tikka, Peterson LRP brass with CCI LR BR primers, seated to 2.93"ish which put the 147eldm close to 0.060" off the lands which is where I like to try to stay. New brass, 42.3 grains of RL16 gave me 2610'. After the first firing, the now-1x fired brass with 42.0 gives me the same speed.

Based on what I see when I put this load into Gordon's Reloading Tool I believe that I could push it up to around 2650' velocity at safe pressure and that's what I saw early on when I pushed the powder charge a bit. I don't remember details, but I saw a faint ejector mark at a heavier charge that went 2660' IIRC.

I have also considered trying to switch to RL23. I think I could beat 2700' with that powder, but I am trying to hoard what I have for use elsewhere. 2600' is plenty for what I do with the rifle.

I don't have notes at my fingertips but ES/SD with new brass was something like 45 and 15; with 1x fired brass it has been maybe 25' and 10'. Point being, it tightened up with formed brass.

ETA: the only other loads I've shot have been the Nosler 123CC and the Hornady 130ELDM over 38.0 of IMR4895. I shot those just to have a gentle load for my eight year old's introduction to the rifle, and to burn up the handful of the 123s I had left over from a long-gone other project. I will likely use up the rest of the 130s with the same powder for practice ammo for the kids.
 
Just posted this on another post
6.5 cm 19” tikka suppressed
130 tmk
43 gr h4350
Starline brass large rifle primer
2.826” oal
2745

I had to back off from 43.5gr that originally weren’t showing any pressure signs.

Pretty common for some guys to run 43.5-44 h4350 behind 130’s though.

factory hornady 147’s shot somewhere around the mid 2500’s for me.
 
Bought one (t3x 20" 6.5cm) this summer. I went straight to RL16 for my powder for the very technical reason that I had ~2lbs of it and nothing that I need to use it in. Put another way, there are other powders that would work; I used what I had.

20" Tikka, Peterson LRP brass with CCI LR BR primers, seated to 2.93"ish which put the 147eldm close to 0.060" off the lands which is where I like to try to stay. New brass, 42.3 grains of RL16 gave me 2610'. After the first firing, the now-1x fired brass with 42.0 gives me the same speed.

Based on what I see when I put this load into Gordon's Reloading Tool I believe that I could push it up to around 2650' velocity at safe pressure and that's what I saw early on when I pushed the powder charge a bit. I don't remember details, but I saw a faint ejector mark at a heavier charge that went 2660' IIRC.

I have also considered trying to switch to RL23. I think I could beat 2700' with that powder, but I am trying to hoard what I have for use elsewhere. 2600' is plenty for what I do with the rifle.

I don't have notes at my fingertips but ES/SD with new brass was something like 45 and 15; with 1x fired brass it has been maybe 25' and 10'. Point being, it tightened up with formed brass.

ETA: the only other loads I've shot have been the Nosler 123CC and the Hornady 130ELDM over 38.0 of IMR4895. I shot those just to have a gentle load for my eight year old's introduction to the rifle, and to burn up the handful of the 123s I had left over from a long-gone other project. I will likely use up the rest of the 130s with the same powder for practice ammo for the kids.
Any idea how temp stable RL16 & RL23 are? I haven't dabbled in the RL powders yet.
 
Just posted this on another post
6.5 cm 19” tikka suppressed
130 tmk
43 gr h4350
Starline brass large rifle primer
2.826” oal
2745

I had to back off from 43.5gr that originally weren’t showing any pressure signs.

Pretty common for some guys to run 43.5-44 h4350 behind 130’s though.

factory hornady 147’s shot somewhere around the mid 2500’s for me.
This is why I think I'm leaning towards the 130. Whats interesting is in my calc both hit 1800 fps still around the 800 yard mark, but while the ELDM is falling less dramatically, the 130 is about 2 MOA flatter in bullet correction.
 
Any idea how temp stable RL16 & RL23 are? I haven't dabbled in the RL powders yet.
Alliant advertises both 16 and 23 as being very temp-stable but I haven't personally attempted to quantify that, I just bought them on the assumption that they were being honest. I had shied away from Alliant powders before that, because 22 and 19 were known to be really temp-sensitive and I'd seen spikes with 19. I still have a half pound of 19 that'll end up as fertilizer one day. But I do believe that they got it right with 16 and 23, but that's only based on me shooting and noting extremely flat vertical dispersion between cold bore and hot rifle, on warm days, at ranges to 500 with the 6.5cm Tikka and RL16 and 1000 and sometimes further with RL23 and my .280ai. So, yeah, they claim that both 16 and 23 are very temp stable, but I'd be lying if I said I'd tried to quantify that in any way. I can only say I've seen no problems from it myself in those two calibers (6.5cm 147eldm with 16 and 280ai 162eldx or 160 NAB with 23. I use VV n565 for my 180eldm loads in .280ai).
 
Lapua SRP
140 eldm
43.0gr Win staball 6.5
2.217 B.T.O
CCI 450
2720 out of a 20” barrel
This load has shot very well for me in every barrel I’ve ever ran it through so far.
 
Spicy load but shoots well with three Tikkas. Work up to it in hot weather.

18" Tikka T3X
147 ELDMs
Lapua SRP Brass (have also done with LRP)
43.0 grains H4350
Seated out to 2.9" COAL (just fits inside M+ mag)
2640 fps
~0.8MOA for 10 shots
 
I look at the hornady manual for max velocity, and adjust. ~25 fps/in for barrel length. I ignore powder charge and add powder until I get the velocity I want. I’m currently running 2630 with 147’s out of a 21” with rl16. Typically I don’t run at max but this load shoots great and makes NRL power factor with a little buffer.

Tikka barrels aren’t really slow they just take more powder IMO.
 
With what you have on hand?
41.5gr H4350 + 143eldx. 2.81”coal.
Should be 2650-ish out of a 20” barrel.

But buy yourself some 130gr eldm/tmk.
43.0gr H4350. 2.81”coal. Probably 2760-2800 out of 20” barrel.

Compare how your gun shoots both, and then decide what to shoot going forward.
 
I recently picked up a tikka roughtech in 6.5 creedmoor with 20 inch barrel.

I loaded just shy of hornady book max and it is SLOW but very accurate so I haven't really looked for pressure yet.
147 eldm
40.0 g H4350
Lapua brass
CCI 400 SRP
~2490 fps average over 25 shots.
 
I recently picked up a tikka roughtech in 6.5 creedmoor with 20 inch barrel.

I loaded just shy of hornady book max and it is SLOW but very accurate so I haven't really looked for pressure yet.
147 eldm
40.0 g H4350
Lapua brass
CCI 400 SRP
~2490 fps average over 25 shots.
I have a tikka ctr 20” h4350 42.5 with the 147 2620fps. Also try the magnum primers should get you a little more velocity
 
Someone mentioned it above. Need to load out long just off lands to maximize performance in the tikkas.

I have found RL26 and Superformance provide best speeds (accuracy is fine too).

I load out near 2.9” OAL (.015” off lands) with 48g of Superformance and mag primers and get 2815 in a 21.5” factory cut tikka barrel and 143s. I have three factory barrels and the throats are all about the same and same load produces similar results in all. (147s were about 100-150fps slower too fwiw).

Work up and understand how loading long changes the pressures.
 
Someone mentioned it above. Need to load out long just off lands to maximize performance in the tikkas.
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Work up and understand how loading long changes the pressures.
Can you help my understanding, does loading long (close to lands) result in more velocity (higher powder capacity?), better accuracy, or something else? I ask because its my understanding that Eldx and Eldm shoot very accurately at factory COAL. I haven't yet measured how much jump this COAL is in my tx3 6.5CM.

On paper, a 20" barrel looks to be better suited for 130 ELDM, 130 MK, or other high BC "lighter" bullets at 2800 fps appears optimal for a 20" barrel tikka inside of 600 yds. I see higher impact velocity, similar energy, and slightly less drop than a 143 ELDX at 2650fps, using Hornady's ballistics calculator. These are ballpark handload speeds for 20" barrel based off what folks have posted online.

I get 2578fps with factory 143Eldx out of my new 20" TX3, which is too slow for my liking. Working up some 143 gr and 130 gr handloads to determine my final bullet choice for hunting.
 
Can you help my understanding, does loading long (close to lands) result in more velocity (higher powder capacity?), better accuracy, or something else? I ask because its my understanding that Eldx and Eldm shoot very accurately at factory COAL. I haven't yet measured how much jump this COAL is in my tx3 6.5CM.

On paper, a 20" barrel looks to be better suited for 130 ELDM, 130 MK, or other high BC "lighter" bullets at 2800 fps appears optimal for a 20" barrel tikka inside of 600 yds. I see higher impact velocity, similar energy, and slightly less drop than a 143 ELDX at 2650fps, using Hornady's ballistics calculator. These are ballpark handload speeds for 20" barrel based off what folks have posted online.

I get 2578fps with factory 143Eldx out of my new 20" TX3, which is too slow for my liking. Working up some 143 gr and 130 gr handloads to determine my final bullet choice for hunting.

Loading long increases the effective powder capacity of a cartridge, which decreases the speed it'll see at any given charge weight but also increases the max speed it can make within a given pressure limit.

At the same time, backing off of the throat decreases pressure and jamming into the throat increases pressure. But, the overall speed you get from a given powder charge, seated long, is almost always going to be lower than the speed you'd get from that same charge seated shorter. In short, the theory is that depth to lands has an impact on pressure, but not as much as effective case volume.

So.....with 'slow' barrels (and 'slow' is only a shorthand way to describe them, not a detailed description) you can usually gain back some of the speed you lost *if* you find that the throat is long, as most Tikkas seem to be. You might even find that you can exceed the speed you might have expected at a standard cartridge length.

As for better accuracy, *some* makers will suggest seating close to the lands. But there are tests on several bullets in the last few years that seem to indicate that the best accuracy over the course of a barrel's life, not so much in terms of absolute MOA, but a lack of sensitivity to seating depth as the barrel wears, will occur if you seat maybe 0.050" to 0.100" off the lands. See here:

https://precisionrifleblog.com/2020/03/29/bullet-jump-load-development/

As for 130 versus 147 speeds and which is 'best' at the end of the day it's going to boil down to personal choice. I have seen that I can get 2650' or so from a 20" and 147s and I believe I could get maybe 2725' or so from a 147 if I was willing to fiddle with different powders. But I am not willing to do so. From piddling with GRT it seems as if I could drop to a 130 and get maybe another 125' of MV but over the course of 600 yards you're going to lose all of that advantage, and I rarely hunt in high winds and certainly don't think my kids are ready to take long shots in high winds, so the relative advantages of a fast/light versus slow/heavy bullet are minor, to me. Also, I like long/heavy bullets as a hedge against 'too much of a good thing' with the rapidly expanding match bullets. That is admittedly a personal bias.

YMMV.
 
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