Thoughts on this Huntin Fool moose video ethics?

[TheTone]

About what I would expect from HF

 

[Thess87]

I didn’t watch the video and it sounds like these guys are screw balls, but maybe I’m in the minority but if I take a good shot and for some reason something goes wrong. And I do my due diligence to find the animal (which I’ve seen a lot live on ). The fish and game figures tag numbers with a % of wounded game in to there figures. But if I’ve exhausted all options I will keep hunting. Once again it sounds like the guys in the vide did not do what I’m explaining.

I understand both side of the spectrum. I’m just surprised it’s not more even both ways. If I graze a buck or bull. There’s a 99.9% chance there going to live so to me it’d be kinda wierd to punch my tag.

 

[Hnthrdr]

In my opinion You kind of answered your own question in the title… you expect a business whose model is built on selling content/ blowing up spots to act in the highest ethical manner… their bottom dollar is content, viewer/readership and ads.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Definitely not in the brisket. I'd say 100% fatal shot based on several moose that I have or have seen shots placed very similarly on. Lungs and liver most likely. If he was quartering away, probably would have got some heart in there.

The worst deaths and recoveries I've seen on moose, including one my partner killed 5 days ago, are high shot placements, midline of the animal and up. There are a lot of voids in the top half of moose that either won't kill the animal, or won't kill them quickly. I always exaggerate my shots low on moose for a few reasons, quicker death and better blood trails. High shots on moose usually lead to a lot of blood pooling in the body cavity and crappy or nonexistent blood trails. High double lung shots can be very problematic to follow even if the animal dies relatively quickly. It is remarkable how much ground a moose in flight can cover in a very short period of time.

On my moose this year I put two rounds from a .300wm in basically that same spot but with more of a broadside presentation and blew the heart to shreds. The 67" with a massive body bull took three steps and was dead in seconds with a shocking amount of blood loss.

Sounds awesome post up a pic of the 67”!!!

 

[eaglemountainman]

His screen name is very apropos. Says it all.

 

[ColeyG]

After some deliberation I watched the video. That bull sure doesn't look very hurt. I still think it was a fatal shot, but based on the way he was behaving, it was likely a long, slow, bad death. Very unfortunate. I'll hold my tongue on the ethical question.

 

[striped1]

There is no way I am notching my tag if I don't recover the animal. For one, you are attesting to having taken the animal by doing so and if you haven't recovered it, you haven't confirmed the taking. I will look all day for it but if isn't recovered, I will continue to hunt.

 

[WRO]

Good points.

I wasn't clear with my intention on the NR dig. My point with that comment is that NR's are guests in R's hunting areas and should be even more considerate imo. For many AK residents moose are hunted as a meat hunt. For those of us with that view on moose hunting it's sacrilegious to potentially kill 2 moose and only fly home with antlers and backstraps from one of them. (not trying to instigate a trophy hunt convo lol)

Either way, I should have left the NR comment off my post and your points are noted!

You can’t legally do that resident or NR, that being said a lot of meat does get donated either in the villages or to the local food banks.

 

[Antares]

I will look all day for it but if isn't recovered, I will continue to hunt.

Is there limit on this thought process for you?

For example, say you have wounded, and failed to recover, a different moose every day for last 10 days. On day 11, do you get up and "continue to hunt"?

In my opinion:
If the answer is "yes", then you're a dirtbag.
If the answers is "no", then why not apply that same logic to day 2?

This is just a thought experiment. I'm not trying to pick on you (or call you a dirtbag).

 

[Diced]

I have multiple texts from multiple people already about wounding elk with bows and muzzleloaders, and then continuing to hunt.

I think it is a product of people not practicing, not preparing, and not thinking through the scenarios they have created for themselves. I believe there are far more people who hunt that will not hesitate to send it on a marginal shot "just in case" rather than wait for that shot they are 99% on. I believe it is a hit to the ego to turn down an animal and risk not getting that picture for the year.

EX:
"four arrows for four elk...grazed and scared (crying laughing emoji)"
different person
"found arrow, two drops of blood..smaller 6x6...meh shit happens" (kills a different bull the next day)
different person
"perfect shot on a bull can you come pack meat?...he went into a canyon...(very short time later) he went uphill into this canyon so I don't think he died."
different person
"shot a stud bull hard quartering away...I'm going to go back to the truck and come back in 7 hours"

Take a guess at how many of those people kept hunting, how many killed a different animal?

It reminds me of this thread that I started last fall. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/how-often-do-you-find-unrecovered-animals.334329/

Tell your friends to stop being embarrassments to hunting

 

[Thess87]

Is there limit on this thought process for you?

For example, say you have wounded, and failed to recover, a different moose every day for last 10 days. On day 11, do you get up and "continue to hunt"?

In my opinion:
If the answer is "yes", then you're a dirtbag.
If the answers is "no", then why not apply that same logic to day 2?

This is just a thought experiment. I'm not trying to pick on you (or call you a dirtbag).

Everyone has there own limits and ethics. Some people can shoot 110 yards with a bow confidently and ethnically, then the next guy can’t keep it in a pie plate at 40 and calls the other guy a p.o.s.

 

[sndmn11]

Tell your friends to stop being embarrassments to hunting

I can't yet, they are still out hunting.

 

[Taudisio]

Is there limit on this thought process for you?

For example, say you have wounded, and failed to recover, a different moose every day for last 10 days. On day 11, do you get up and "continue to hunt"?

In my opinion:
If the answer is "yes", then you're a dirtbag.
If the answers is "no", then why not apply that same logic to day 2?

This is just a thought experiment. I'm not trying to pick on you (or call you a dirtbag).

I really like this thought experiment.

Personally, I think of the saying, “Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” I know it’s not the same type of topic, but it resonates in my head.

If I wound and I’m unable to find the animal, (in the past) I’ve stopped hunting and considered a tag filled, I’ve also evaluated the evidence found on hand and hunted for a different animal. But, if I have wounded and don’t find two different animals (this has not happened to me), something is wrong, the hunt is over, and the tag is considered filled.

 

[Antares]

 

[sndmn11]

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But one fell out!

 

[Kisaralik]

Out of curiosity, does anyones answer change depending on the hunt/species? Like, would you keep hunting an OTC unit vs a limited draw area? A Dall Sheep vs a spike buck? Genuinely curious.....

 

[sndmn11]

Out of curiosity, does anyones answer change depending on the hunt/species? Like, would you keep hunting an OTC unit vs a limited draw area? A Dall Sheep vs a spike buck? Genuinely curious.....

What about if it's turkey? Pheasant? Dove?

 

[Karlburns]

I watched the video then read everyone’s comments and went back and watched it again. I grew up and still live in AK, I grew up hunting moose and caribou for meat with my father having been a part of probably 40 successful moose hunts at this point in my life.

My opinion on that moose is that it didn’t make it far before dying. A wounded moose will act exactly like this one did, run a short distance then turn to gauge whether it needs to keep fleeing or turn to charge the threat. When he unleashed that second arrow from a terrible angle the moose decided fleeing was the best option. If that first arrow hadn’t been a lethal shot that moose would have hit the brush and powered through it like the bull does half way through the video during the sub legal conversation. Instead he slowly is meandering into the distance despite having just dodged a second arrow. Not how I’ve seen moose react to a known threat.

On to the rest of the video. These guys are the definition of what’s wrong with hunting. They clearly got excited for the bear rug and the moose rack and were not going to even attempt to close the distance to get within their skill set.

Personally I’d like to see them never in AK again. It’s an honor to take an animals life and you owe it to them to make it as fast and painless as possible. If you can’t confidentially do that while looking through the scope, stringing the arrow, loading the muzzle, sharpening your spears, etc, than you owe it to the animal to take your finger off.

 

[Wildone]

Poor choices in both situations. Bow shot #1 was quarting to and a low percentage angle for lethality, bow shot #2 was a hail mary in an effort to repair shot #1, that didn't work either. The rifle work was an embarasment and purely a game of numbers. I'm not in the camp that an outfitters involvement would have made either scenario any different.

 

[ladogg411]

Horrible hunting judgment. Even worse that they post this stuff to negatively affect all of us.

They must make enough money on content to offset any negative impact on their core business.