This guy is really milking this tikka thing.

[hibernation]

The Texas Predator hunting podcast pre much dogged him for this test. If you’re talking about the 1 moa test.

Do you know which episode, I'll give it a listen.

I was talking more like the hunting distance challenges like this one, but I appreciate that the MOA tests also call people out on having no idea what their gun's actual shot distribution looks like - the "sub MOA all day" folks. Or where their zero actually is.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

• Tikka: Employs more plastic components to reduce manufacturing costs, including the trigger guard, magazines, and bolt shroud. The stocks are typically molded.

Well chat GPT is only needing to go back a ~decade in production years to include the bolt shrouds in the plastic comment. They switched to metal with the T3x which came out in 2016.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Well chat GPT is only needing to go back a ~decade in production years to include the bolt shrouds in the plastic comment. They switched to metal with the T3x which came out in 2016.

Anyone using ChatGPT honestly shows their complete lack of understanding on a topic. The amount of copy and paste from that garbage on Rokslide over the last year or so has been sad to see.

 

[JGRaider]

No shortage of soul in either of these rifles.

Sako L579 in .243 on left, Tikka in 6.5 CM on right.


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Don't get me wrong, they're really nice, and I LOVE Sako. I just don't get that emotionally attached to a hunting tool, that's all. To each his own.

 

[nm.otter]

What does a Sako do better for the price differential? Honest question.

There are a number of details that are nice, but for me it's better triggers and that they make a true short action.

If I could buy one chambered in 6mm GT I'd do so in a hot second.

 

[Ringbill27]

It's like that around here though, or practically any other forum. When someone posts something that is contradictory to popular opinion, the first thing the masses do is go on attack mode. It's a play right out of the democratic playbook. Bash first, then possibly attempt to actually refute the facts .

Exactly what happens every time. Seems almost as bad as YouTube but in the upset direction.

The super lite is too light of a rifle to expect one hole groups with a 7 prc every group.

 

[Ringbill27]

it seems obvious tikka needs to go back and reevaluate that model

Why? From what I’ve learned from tikka over the years I’ve known of the rifles. They don’t produce anything new, especially cartridges, unless it has been begged for for years.

with that train of thought the world must have wanted a 6.2lb 7shoulder dislocator.

And hey from what YouTube has taught me these rifle can and will shoot MOA out of the box. So with more rounds down the barrel they should get better.

 

[nm.otter]

it seems obvious tikka needs to go back and reevaluate that model

I would want to see how a T3x Ace Target chambered in 7mm PRC shot before passing judgement.

Meanwhile, somebody needs to pull the stock off a 7mm PRC Superlite and re-mount the action in a heavy competition stock or chassis. I would expect to see somewhat different results from that.

 

[The Guide]

There are a number of details that are nice, but for me it's better triggers and that they make a true short action.

If I could buy one chambered in 6mm GT I'd do so in a hot second.

What benefits does the "true short action" give you? I see a lot of people jump through hoops to get longer length cartridges (due to bullets they want to use causing longer COAL, when optimally seated, for the capability of the magazine or cartridge box) to work in a short action. I have yet to have a cartridge that won't feed from a Tikka action other than a 215 Berger from a 300WM. But, that bullet also won't feed from my Winchester M70 or my Remington 700 without major changes to the stock and/or action. They will feed from my wife's CA ELR in 300WM but that was a $4k rifle with an extended box magazine built into it from the factory. Now I do love me a Howa Mini Action but it isn't because of the action size, just like the way they shoot. I have them in 223, 22 ARC, 6mm ARC, and 6.5 Grendel.

The size thing just may not apply to me as I'm an anomaly. I was 6'6" and had size 13 shoes by the time I was 14. I use XL and XXL rubber gloves for work and they are snug fitting. What most people thing is normal sized is small to me. I'm not going to see the impact as much as person that is a "Mediums" kind of guy. (Those guys suck BTW, being able to find clothes and equipment that fits them almost anywhere? Must be nice to not have to special order everything... )

Jay

 

[Southernfried]

Do you know which episode, I'll give it a listen.

I was talking more like the hunting distance challenges like this one, but I appreciate that the MOA tests also call people out on having no idea what their gun's actual shot distribution looks like - the "sub MOA all day" folks. Or where their zero actually is.

I believe it was TPH podcast #69 and #74, they go back and forth A LOT in between those #'s lol........and I went back and watched Wdw's last 4 videos, even ones he made about the Tikka 7PRC after a lot of people got bent. From my view point, he didn't say anything that bad, even reiterated he had only shot 2 brands of ammo, and thought it would (and did) shoot a better group later in another video with different ammo. What he said is no better or no worse than anyone's comments on Tikka, Remington, Sako, SIG, etc etc. I dont know him, but have followed him for years, and I have to say, he has been about the most unbiased person I have seen on youtube. He just said somethings about Tikka's, people didn't like, no different than what can be said for any other firearm company. He has said over and over, he does purchase all of his firearms himself, even showed where he buys them from and sells them when he is done with them, at Toliver's in Manchester I believe. Toliver's has been there for years and years, His buddy that he does car videos with I think, owns the place a lot of his videos are shot at, because he says he is at HeavyMetals range when he is there. I have seen a lot of videos on the tube where the 7PRC didnt shoot to people's expectations, from either the speed (Hornady) or accuracy, from all the brands. Ruger, Winchester, Remington, Tikka, Savage, Mossberg ALL of them.

I still think in even a lot of those videos, it is because the Tikka is light, and any recoil, the gun will move. As would ANY sub 7 pound rifle shooting a heavy recoiling round......

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I believe it was TPH podcast #69 and #74, they go back and forth A LOT in between those #'s lol........and I went back and watched Wdw's last 4 videos, even ones he made about the Tikka 7PRC after a lot of people got bent. From my view point, he didn't say anything that bad, even reiterated he had only shot 2 brands of ammo, and thought it would (and did) shoot a better group later in another video with different ammo. What he said is no better or no worse than anyone's comments on Tikka, Remington, Sako, SIG, etc etc. I dont know him, but have followed him for years, and I have to say, he has been about the most unbiased person I have seen on youtube. He just said somethings about Tikka's, people didn't like, no different than what can be said for any other firearm company. He has said over and over, he does purchase all of his firearms himself, even showed where he buys them from and sells them when he is done with them, at Toliver's in Manchester I believe. Toliver's has been there for years and years, His buddy that he does car videos with I think, owns the place a lot of his videos are shot at, because he says he is at HeavyMetals range when he is there. I have seen a lot of videos on the tube where the 7PRC didnt shoot to people's expectations, from either the speed (Hornady) or accuracy, from all the brands. Ruger, Winchester, Remington, Tikka, Savage, Mossberg ALL of them.

I still think in even a lot of those videos, it is because the Tikka is light, and any recoil, the gun will move. As would ANY sub 7 pound rifle shooting a heavy recoiling round......

WDW is pure click bait on his titles. That kind of stuff should never be rewarded with views.


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[nm.otter]

What benefits does the "true short action" give you?

A bit less length and a bit less weight (I'm 6'0", 140#, and in my 60s). I can still pack 35-38# for 10+miles, but I pay dearly for it the next day.

Also shorter (and somewhat better) magazines.

These are all 'nice to have' things, and someday I'd like to have them. It's still half what a K95 would set me back.

 

[V00D00]

Ah, mossberg. i trust gas station sushi more.

 

[hibernation]

I'll check it out, looks like there's two episodes they did on it? I don't really see the issue with backfire's "moa hoax" concept, which is that the average hunter believes his gun shoots MOA but can't consistently print a 5-shot MOA group on demand. It's such a widespread idea that just isn't backed up by the reality of people shooting their own rifles, even at the range. I'm curious if they have any actual criticism of that idea.

So far, just sounds like they're talking down the shooters in the backfire video and talking up their own shooting. Which kind of feels like missing the point?

 

[Balderdash]

A bit less length and a bit less weight (I'm 6'0", 140#, and in my 60s). I can still pack 35-38# for 10+miles, but I pay dearly for it the next day.

Also shorter (and somewhat better) magazines.

These are all 'nice to have' things, and someday I'd like to have them. It's still half what a K95 would set me back.

I prefer running short cases in Tikkas.

 

[flyfisher117]

Hell, go read this thread

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/20663606/1/why-so-little-love-for-the-tikka3x

Damn is there a forum bmxer isn’t on? I got into a pissing match with him on the Hide…

Though I have had rust issues on my SST Tikka.

 

[V00D00]

I think thats he's that guy

ditto

 

[FredH]

I would like Tikka's if they had a decent stock ergo, had more I could do for tinkering. But alas they are perfect for the guy who just wants to get a rifle and shoot it.

 

[FredH]

I’m surprised they didn’t mention one of the law suits, the kid that was shot by his mother while unloading the kids rifle wasn’t pointed directly at him, but close enough a bullet bounced off the horse trailer into the kid. My mother grew up with rifles in her hand for half a century and I wouldn’t trust her to point a gun at me while unloading it.

Other product liability lawsuit where one kid shot the other while they were walking - what didn’t make the news is a jury in the criminal case found the shooter guilty.

Another liability case had the shooter, who was unfamiliar with the rifle, pull it out of a gun case when it went off. How many of you trust your brain dead cousin Jimmy to point a loaded gun at you while pulling it out of a gun case? The state police couldn’t get the rifle to malfunction.

This design does require maintenance or old oil will gum up causing problems, it used to be considered idiotic to not clean and lightly lubricate firearms, now everything has to be so idiot proof I wonder how the world functions.

I laugh at the “competition” shooters who play gunsmith on the weekend and adjust Remington or Tikka triggers to the point they can’t be dropped on the butt without going off, then complain they don’t work correctly.

Product liability lawsuits over stupid stuff have decimated US manufacturers and will probably be the end of most firearms. We’ll be stuck with guns with 10 lb triggers, electric backup safeties, and who knows what kind of other idiotic regulations. Thanks lawyers.

That little AI blurb was heavily flawed. The Mark Xpro trigger was introduced in response to the problems with the Walker trigger. It was not the one with any issues.

 

[goalie]

I just went and read the first post on that 24 hours campfire thread. I honestly thought I would never have to hear him talk about his made up failing ejector springs again, but here we are. If I remember correctly he claimed it happened on multiple rifles yet there are guys with 10s of thousands of rounds through their Tikkas without this issue.

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The signal to noise ratio at 24HC is horrible.

Shills and trolls screaming over each other gets old.