This guy is really milking this tikka thing.

[Q_Sertorius]

Wrong on most every point IME.

All it takes it is one two people to report a problem for that to become the AI answer. You can literally salt the Internet with talking points.

AI thinks my dad is black because he taught at a HBC and a newspaper article reported that someone used racial slurs about him.

The beloved pre-64 Model 70 also has issues according to Grok. This was done purely as an experiment.

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk%3D_005c606d-8ebf-478e-ba91-b098b17c2e9f

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[S-3 ranch]

Wrong on most every point IME.

Hey I just copy and pasted what a artificial intelligence kicked out
After it searched like 2 billion post on the WWW , I am sure the rockslide fan boys are included in the search?
If you can’t afford a sako , tikka seems like a decent option

 

[cuerro viejo]

You’ll be ok. What someone says in a video won’t make your rifle shoot worse.

That you for clarifying and reinforcing my troll point.

 

[mlevimadden]

Hey I just copy and pasted what a artificial intelligence kicked out
After it searched like 2 billion post on the WWW , I am sure the rockslide fan boys are included in the search?
If you can’t afford a sako , tikka seems like a decent option

Well here is google gemini's response when prompted about remington 700 issues.

The Remington 700 rifle has faced scrutiny, particularly concerning its trigger mechanism. Issues include accidental discharges, delayed firing, and even failure to fire, especially in older models. These problems have been linked to a potentially faulty trigger design and have led to recalls and lawsuits.

Specific Problems:

• Accidental Discharges:
  Older Remington 700 models, particularly those with the X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger, have been reported to fire without the trigger being pulled. This issue has been attributed to a design flaw where the trigger mechanism can become susceptible to unintentional firing due to factors like rust, grime, or jarring.
  
  
• • Delayed Firing/Failure to Fire:
    The trigger mechanism's close tolerances can be affected by dirt and debris, leading to a delay in firing or a complete failure to fire, especially in cold weather.
    
  • Recalls and Lawsuits:
    Remington has recalled certain Model 700 and Model Seven rifles manufactured between May 1, 2006, and April 9, 2014, with the XMP trigger due to the accidental discharge issue. Lawsuits have also been filed against Remington concerning these trigger defects.
    
  • Repairs:
    Some owners have reported that repairs mandated by a 2014 settlement agreement did not fully resolve the issue, with some rifles still experiencing accidental discharges.
    
  • Quality Control Issues:
    Some owners have also reported slop in the bolt and overall quality control issues with the rifle.
    

Recommendations:

• • Safety First:
    If you own a Remington 700, especially one with an XMP trigger, it is crucial to immediately stop using the rifle and contact Remington to determine if your rifle is subject to the recall and needs inspection.
    
  • Trigger Inspection and Maintenance:
    Regularly inspect and clean the trigger mechanism to prevent the buildup of dirt and debris that can affect its function.
    
  • Consider Upgrades:
    If you are concerned about the trigger, consider having it replaced with a high-quality aftermarket trigger.
    

In conclusion, while the Remington 700 is a popular rifle, it's essential to be aware of the potential trigger issues and take necessary precautions to ensure safe operation.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Hey I just copy and pasted what a artificial intelligence kicked out
After it searched like 2 billion post on the WWW , I am sure the rockslide fan boys are included in the search?
If you can’t afford a sako , tikka seems like a decent option

Anything is possible, every manufacturers can have some issues (its a statistics game) but every product that interfaces with other manufacturers products (IE ammo for instance which can also be out of spec) and users (some of whom are idiots) can have mixed reports on the internet. Some of the things that AI spit out just don't really pass the sniff test is all (or is an anomaly for it to be a flaw on the tikka side of the equation)

This one stands out, the bolt is machined out of bar stock and the handle also appears to be machined out of stock (not cast). There is a TINY chance there is a defect in the bar stock from a mill that could lead to a weakness, it could happen but very rare imho. Now if someone was shooting over pressure loads or somehow otherwise locking up the action through misuse and beating open the bolt handle with a mallet (something others have done without breaking them by the way) and it broke that ain't a knock on Tikka.
"Others have encountered problems with the bolt handle breaking off due to failure at the dovetail, although this appears to be less common.

Sure its possible of a bad chamber but they test all actions with proof rounds so the more probably chance is the ammo is out of spec. Either is possible, one is just more likely.
"Some experience with the bolt not closing smoothly on a loaded round, potentially indicating chamber or headspace issues."

Depending and the cartridge and scope combo hitting the windage knob can happen but usually can be addressed. Its something to be aware of sure.
"Extraction and ejection problems"

Etc.


Tikka aren't perfect, they're just a general work horse that is generally dependable and accurate in comparison to comparable products, ALL products need the user to understand how to use them and to use them properly, nothing is idiot proof and all products have some rate of failure. Its a numbers game though and some perform well more often.

 

[The Guide]

If you can’t afford a sako , tikka seems like a decent option

What does a Sako do better for the price differential? Honest question.

Jay

 

[Q_Sertorius]

What does a Sako do better for the price differential? Honest question.

Jay

Metal trigger guard and magazine is the major difference, as far as I can tell.


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[hibernation]

I know nothing about the Tikka 7prc.

But Backfire is another stupid YouTube channel. I wouldn’t take seriously anything he says either.

I wouldn't take him too seriously either, but I do give him credit for some of his hunting accuracy challenges over the last year or so. He's done a decent job popularizing the idea that people are nowhere near as accurate as they think, like the coldbore challenge but for a wider audience.

Seems like every other hunting personality pushes the idea that a 500 yard shot on a deer is as simple as buying a custom dial. He's the first one I've seen to call people on it and show how bad first-round hit rates can be, even with experienced shooters. At least, I sure hope that's the lesson people took away.

 

[grfox92]

It’s great to see redneckbmxer24 is still spewing nonsense. Glad he’s moved on from Rokslide though.

That guy was the absolute worst.

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[Balderdash]

Agree. Super lightweight rifle + higher recoiling rifle.....what could possibly go wrong? It's like highly fragmenting bullets paired with high impact velocities and people wonder why the mess.

I don't fundamentally disagree about the concept that light, heavy recoilers are more difficult to shoot tight groups with; further, I'd agree that substantial recoil is also contributing to the poor BF test results. However, through the years I've owned and shot tiny groups with multiple Tikkas in 300 WSM, 300 WM, and 7mm RM, so it's not a given or a matter of course that it can't be done or that the 7PRC pairing is incompatible with accuracy in a LW Tikka.

Getting back to the BF test, I think he needs to eliminate other variables before putting out results.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Well that make two different channels saying the tikka super light in 7prc
Just isn’t that great and has a few problems
I don’t own a tikka ( only Sako) so I don’t know about them generally , but multiple bad reviews gives me pause, probably due to weight and design

Pretty much any super light magnum rifle with a sporter stock is going to suck ass to shoot

 

[JGRaider]

Metal trigger guard and magazine is the major difference, as far as I can tell.


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True, but I think the question is "what does a Sako do better than a Tikka, not "how are they different". I love 'em both, as rifles are just a tool to me, nothing more. I've never understood this "some rifles have no soul" crap.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Creepy old guy offering hugs and ice cream on the internet.

Name a more infamous pairing.

Just get in his windowless painter van… don’t ask questions, he is going to show you his trophy grade M70 too, might even let you play with it Sonny

 

[Q_Sertorius]

True, but I think the question is "what does a Sako do better than a Tikka, not "how are they different". I love 'em both, as rifles are just a tool to me, nothing more. I've never understood this "some rifles have no soul" crap.

No shortage of soul in either of these rifles.

Sako L579 in .243 on left, Tikka in 6.5 CM on right.


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[S-3 ranch]

Metal trigger guard and magazine is the major difference, as far as I can tell.


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And much much better stocks to boot, better fit & finish,
Action seems more polished, same with the barrel

• Tikka: Employs more plastic components to reduce manufacturing costs, including the trigger guard, magazines, and bolt shroud. The stocks are typically molded.
• Sako: Uses higher-quality materials throughout, featuring more metal and better finished stocks (wood and synthetic options available).

3. Action and receiver

• Tikka: Features a two-lug bolt and a single action length, with magazines and bolt stops adjusted for different cartridges.
• Sako: Utilizes a three-lug bolt design and offers various receiver sizes tailored to different cartridges. The receiver requires more intricate machining.

 

[TaperPin]

Well here is google gemini's response when prompted about remington 700 issues.

The Remington 700 rifle has faced scrutiny, particularly concerning its trigger mechanism. Issues include accidental discharges, delayed firing, and even failure to fire, especially in older models. These problems have been linked to a potentially faulty trigger design and have led to recalls and lawsuits.

Specific Problems:

• Accidental Discharges:
  Older Remington 700 models, particularly those with the X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger, have been reported to fire without the trigger being pulled. This issue has been attributed to a design flaw where the trigger mechanism can become susceptible to unintentional firing due to factors like rust, grime, or jarring.
  
  
• • Delayed Firing/Failure to Fire:
    The trigger mechanism's close tolerances can be affected by dirt and debris, leading to a delay in firing or a complete failure to fire, especially in cold weather.
  • Recalls and Lawsuits:
    Remington has recalled certain Model 700 and Model Seven rifles manufactured between May 1, 2006, and April 9, 2014, with the XMP trigger due to the accidental discharge issue. Lawsuits have also been filed against Remington concerning these trigger defects.
  • Repairs:
    Some owners have reported that repairs mandated by a 2014 settlement agreement did not fully resolve the issue, with some rifles still experiencing accidental discharges.
  • Quality Control Issues:
    Some owners have also reported slop in the bolt and overall quality control issues with the rifle.

Recommendations:

• • Safety First:
    If you own a Remington 700, especially one with an XMP trigger, it is crucial to immediately stop using the rifle and contact Remington to determine if your rifle is subject to the recall and needs inspection.
  • Trigger Inspection and Maintenance:
    Regularly inspect and clean the trigger mechanism to prevent the buildup of dirt and debris that can affect its function.
  • Consider Upgrades:
    If you are concerned about the trigger, consider having it replaced with a high-quality aftermarket trigger.

In conclusion, while the Remington 700 is a popular rifle, it's essential to be aware of the potential trigger issues and take necessary precautions to ensure safe operation.

I’m surprised they didn’t mention one of the law suits, the kid that was shot by his mother while unloading the kids rifle wasn’t pointed directly at him, but close enough a bullet bounced off the horse trailer into the kid. My mother grew up with rifles in her hand for half a century and I wouldn’t trust her to point a gun at me while unloading it.

Other product liability lawsuit where one kid shot the other while they were walking - what didn’t make the news is a jury in the criminal case found the shooter guilty.

Another liability case had the shooter, who was unfamiliar with the rifle, pull it out of a gun case when it went off. How many of you trust your brain dead cousin Jimmy to point a loaded gun at you while pulling it out of a gun case? The state police couldn’t get the rifle to malfunction.

This design does require maintenance or old oil will gum up causing problems, it used to be considered idiotic to not clean and lightly lubricate firearms, now everything has to be so idiot proof I wonder how the world functions.

I laugh at the “competition” shooters who play gunsmith on the weekend and adjust Remington or Tikka triggers to the point they can’t be dropped on the butt without going off, then complain they don’t work correctly.

Product liability lawsuits over stupid stuff have decimated US manufacturers and will probably be the end of most firearms. We’ll be stuck with guns with 10 lb triggers, electric backup safeties, and who knows what kind of other idiotic regulations. Thanks lawyers.

 

[TaperPin]

No shortage of soul in either of these rifles.

Sako L579 in .243 on left, Tikka in 6.5 CM on right.


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Those look nice.

 

[KYwhitetail606]

I wouldn't take him too seriously either, but I do give him credit for some of his hunting accuracy challenges over the last year or so. He's done a decent job popularizing the idea that people are nowhere near as accurate as they think, like the coldbore challenge but for a wider audience.

Seems like every other hunting personality pushes the idea that a 500 yard shot on a deer is as simple as buying a custom dial. He's the first one I've seen to call people on it and show how bad first-round hit rates can be, even with experienced shooters. At least, I sure hope that's the lesson people took away.

The Texas Predator hunting podcast pre much dogged him for this test. If you’re talking about the 1 moa test.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Metal trigger guard and magazine is the major difference, as far as I can tell.


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Actions and bolts are sized to chambering, metal trigger guard torqued to higher spec, flush fit double stack magazine, better factory stock options, 3 position safety on some.

Whether those things are “better” is up the user.

Overall with Sako and Tikka, it’s the same cold hammer forged properly stress relieved barrels, same tolerances for machining, same overall trigger mechanism in most models, all rifles functioned tested by the specific gunsmith who assembled with his stamp on it, all rifles shot in over pressure chamber for 3-5 rounds, all rifles shot for 3-5 shots to ensure accuracy, etc.

These guns are built to survive a Russian invasion and it shows haha.

 

[grfox92]

I just went and read the first post on that 24 hours campfire thread. I honestly thought I would never have to hear him talk about his made up failing ejector springs again, but here we are. If I remember correctly he claimed it happened on multiple rifles yet there are guys with 10s of thousands of rounds through their Tikkas without this issue.

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