The Welfare Cattle Empire That Controls Your Public Lands: article

[WRO]

Tons of private allows access through block management or just being polite. Lots of APR properties allowed access before being purchased as well.
Your 99% claim is ridiculous

To circle back, you’re right that 99% is ridiculous but it’s a very large and growing percentage that allows no public access.


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[Sandhills]

To circle back, you’re right that 99% is ridiculous but it’s a very large and growing percentage that allows no public access.


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And can you blame em? A guy trips on a rock or cuts himself climbing a barbwire fence because he was too lazy to walk the half mile down the fence to the gate and then tries to sue the landowner. Insurance is already sky high, a claim would only make it go up more.

Back home there was a guy who'd let you hunt as long as you asked. People would take other people who would then assume they had permission. Phillip, the landowner, got tired of pulling people stuck in pasture out and his lawyer told him he should put up signs that said by permission only. I was one of the few who had permission in writing. The public ruins public lands and in many cases private lands too

 

[BBob]

just Javalina which were transplanted

When and where were javelina transplanted in Arizona?

 

[KenLee]

What gravy is that?

Government subsidies which add to my bottom line at end of year.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Just curious, how many people here that are upset over public land grazing fees also watch their favorite influencers make money off the public resource without paying a single dime?

I stand for making all pay for profiting off of the public resources. Multi generational ranchers shouldn’t be pushed out or gobbled up by the billionaires either. It’s a very complicated subject…

 

[WRO]

And can you blame em? A guy trips on a rock or cuts himself climbing a barbwire fence because he was too lazy to walk the half mile down the fence to the gate and then tries to sue the landowner. Insurance is already sky high, a claim would only make it go up more.

Back home there was a guy who'd let you hunt as long as you asked. People would take other people who would then assume they had permission. Phillip, the landowner, got tired of pulling people stuck in pasture out and his lawyer told him he should put up signs that said by permission only. I was one of the few who had permission in writing. The public ruins public lands and in many cases private lands too

Every single time, the general public sucks.


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[Ucsdryder]

Just curious, how many people here that are upset over public land grazing fees also watch their favorite influencers make money off the public resource without paying a single dime?

I stand for making all pay for profiting off of the public resources. Multi generational ranchers shouldn’t be pushed out or gobbled up by the billionaires either. It’s a very complicated subject…

The answer is 100%. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a wkr that is ok with what these leaches are doing.

 

[Sandhills]

Just curious, how many people here that are upset over public land grazing fees also watch their favorite influencers make money off the public resource without paying a single dime?

I stand for making all pay for profiting off of the public resources. Multi generational ranchers shouldn’t be pushed out or gobbled up by the billionaires either. It’s a very complicated subject…

Personally I can't stand em. They've ruined a lot of good hidden gems by turning the public on to em.

 

[WRO]

Just curious, how many people here that are upset over public land grazing fees also watch their favorite influencers make money off the public resource without paying a single dime?

I stand for making all pay for profiting off of the public resources. Multi generational ranchers shouldn’t be pushed out or gobbled up by the billionaires either. It’s a very complicated subject…

They’re a dual edged sword, generally despise them hot spotting etc, but the attention that some bring to our public land issues are a good voice. That being said a lot of them do pay use fees.

Honestly I’d rather deal with them than a shit filled spring and desert that I bird hunt looking like a dead golf course. That being said two wrongs don’t make a right.

 

[Hnthrdr]

When and where were javelina transplanted in Arizona?

They were transplanted to the Kirkland, AZ area in the 70’s or 80’s I’ll ask my gramps he watched them do it, said the only benefit about them is the mt lions seem to pick them off and leave calves alone

 

[displacedtexan]

And can you blame em? A guy trips on a rock or cuts himself climbing a barbwire fence because he was too lazy to walk the half mile down the fence to the gate and then tries to sue the landowner. Insurance is already sky high, a claim would only make it go up more.

How many hunters have sued a landowner for tripping on a rock, or cutting themselves on barbed wire?

 

[KurtR]

Government subsidies which add to my bottom line at end of year.

As I suspected……

 

[yfarm]

In reference to post #111, I am on a private hunting lease in Texas, a requirement from the landowner is release of liability as well as coverage of the “hunting club” by an insurance policy. The company providing the insurance does detailed underwriting concerning specific activities and actions covered under the policy. The level of scrutiny suggests to be that the concerns are real and not exaggerated. I also have a liability umbrella, during the underwriting one of the first questions was do I own an atv or sxs and if so who is allowed to ride it underscoring another exposure risk the company is unwilling to shoulder.

 

[KenLee]

How many hunters have sued a landowner for tripping on a rock, or cutting themselves on barbed wire?

Oh yeah they try. Most lawyers will tell them to STFU. I've had many similar calls.

 

[Sandhills]

How many hunters have sued a landowner for tripping on a rock, or cutting themselves on barbed wire?

I grew up in Commyfornia, where if someone trying to break into you house is injured in the process they can sue you.