The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[LongWayAround]

I thought that was a really good podcast. The earlier comments here made me think it was just going to be brutal to listen.

I certainly don't agree with everything he said, but at least he came off as arriving at his opinions thoughtfully.

The tree thing was funny, especially given the story about the Nyala. The prickly pear affected his bullet, but no problem sending it through a pine tree...

The guy did say that he uses a variety of guns from 22cm to 300something and killed an elk last year with the 6cm. So it's not like he's vehemently opposed to smaller cartridges.

Judging effective distance by time of flight is kind of interesting. A quick look at my ballistics for my normal hunting load puts me about 400yd at a half second. I think most of us would agree that the vast majority of guys out there are sending a prayer at 400yd. That standard might not apply to the average Rokslide nerd though.

Later, he mentioned keeping his impacts above 1850(+/-). That seems like a consistent recommendation around here.

He also said something to the effect of the small cartridge stuff going to far. I can't really disagree. I'm on board with the smaller stuff and it obviously works. This is my only social media, so I don't know what the rest of the internet says. I do think the .223 for everything recommendations get excessive. Again, obviously works plenty well. But you have to follow the recipe. Like Form was just saying on the Exo podcast, if you don't follow the recipe it does not work optimally.

 

[alpine_troop]

I asked him twice why a 6mm was/is nonsense, but I never got a clear answer. Yes, we could have pushed back more, but I don't think it would have gone the way people imagine. James is a great guy and makes you think.

Yeah he was crafty in his deflection and confusing with his agreeableness immediately after stating strong opinions

 

[Dark timber]

I will say, I know for a fact that 250gr partition from a 338wm will still knock the piss out of a Roosevelt bull after going through a 3” vine maple

 

[Jaden Bales]

I asked him twice why a 6mm was/is nonsense, but I never got a clear answer. Yes, we could have pushed back more, but I don't think it would have gone the way people imagine. James is a great guy and makes you think.

I've known James since 2018 and have always enjoyed him and know he's got a big heart in the right place, even though I certainly don't agree with everything he has to say. But that's how I feel about 99% of my friends. Haha.

I noticed the nonsensical thing and was paying close attention, trying to figure out his point. I think if you boiled his thoughts into one sentence, it was just that praising 6 millimeter rounds as a long-distance do-all cartridge without knowing the formulas in which it shines is nonsense. Of which, I agree.

 

[nm.otter]

I know for a fact that 250gr partition from a 338wm will still knock the piss out of a Roosevelt bull after going through a 3” vine maple

Sure -- as long as it hits the vitals.

 

[swavescatter]

Sure -- as long as it hits the vitals.

You mean the aorta?

 

[Dark timber]

You mean the aorta?

Nice! Lol

 

[steelheadmike]

That was a decent podcast and I generally like James Nash. About half of the episode was made up of good dialogue and interesting stories. The other half was pretty much listening to a guy realize that the typical BS he tells once-a-year hunters from Portland wasn’t going to fly, e.g., 6mm isn’t good because of 0.5s TOF, aim for the aorta, shoot through trees, etc.

I did enjoy the air gun conversation.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

That was a decent podcast and I generally like James Nash. About half of the episode was made up of good dialogue and interesting stories. The other half was pretty much listening to a guy realize that the typical BS he tells once-a-year hunters from Portland wasn’t going to fly, e.g., 6mm isn’t good because of 0.5s TOF, aim for the aorta, shoot through trees, etc.

I did enjoy the air gun conversation.

Agreed. The insight on the difficulties of developing stabilized range finding binos was interesting too.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I thoroughly enjoyed James Nash’s episode. Great conversation and excellent guest.

I completely agree with him on the self-imposed time of flight restriction. For me, self-imposed maximum ranges are a combination of precision, accuracy, impact velocity, and time of flight. And I liked that he emphasized knowledge of the animals and surrounding environment as a factor on this issue. And how nice it is to get close to an animal.

The aorta shot is deadly, for sure. But any animal that is killed cleanly and cleaned quickly tastes good to me.

I was a bit surprised to hear someone talk about trying to hit the aorta, having a cactus totally alter bullet performance, then suggest shooting through a tree. But there, one of the biggest factors is how close is the obstacle to the target.

 

[Harvey_NW]

This is my only social media, so I don't know what the rest of the internet says. I do think the .223 for everything recommendations get excessive. Again, obviously works plenty well. But you have to follow the recipe. Like Form was just saying on the Exo podcast, if you don't follow the recipe it does not work optimally.

The rest of social media thinks a 50 cal is marginal, an M1 Abrams is optimal for elk sized game. Good choice on Rokslide being your only platform, lol.

 

[KHntr]

Episode 165:

Here’s a new one.. don’t shoot 6mm bullets because of time of flight.. but gonna shoot a 7 PRC because you can shoot through a tree… because you know, there’s times animals will use vegetation as hostage.

I mean, some things might carry over from an Abram’s.. but I don’t think that’s one of them

Helicopters and suppressors is another fun one. Man, there’s so much to consider in this one haha.

You have to admit, it was funny as hell to listen to Ryans heart rate start to pound on the audio as he got ready to fight over “guys taking small caliber stuff too far”, and then almost audibly talk himself down in his head…

 

[The Guide]

I did enjoy the air gun conversation.

As an avid airgunner, I was happy to hear it brought up but he is full of sit on his ability to shoot baby ground squirrels at extended ranges with a "red dot and a magnifier". That was tough to swallow due to knowing the power levels and trajectory of a .25 cal 30-35 grain slug from a 350mm barrel @ 800 - 875 fps (all depends on the tank size and tune). EdGun makes a great gun and they are highly accurate so it isn't a knock on them but some of the information James disseminated about airguns was highly embellished in my opinion.

If @Ryan Avery and @Unknown Munitions are seriously interested in playing with some air guns (I have brake barrel, CO2, and PCP guns in pistol, carbine, and rifle configurations) let me know. I'll order extra tins of pellets that the guns like and come over to the shop. I'll bring targets and pellet traps and the like.

Jay

 

[WCT3]

As an avid airgunner, I was happy to hear it brought up but he is full of sit on his ability to shoot baby ground squirrels at extended ranges with a "red dot and a magnifier". That was tough to swallow due to knowing the power levels and trajectory of a .25 cal 30-35 grain slug from a 350mm barrel @ 800 - 875 fps (all depends on the tank size and tune). EdGun makes a great gun and they are highly accurate so it isn't a knock on them but some of the information James disseminated about airguns was highly embellished in my opinion.

If @Ryan Avery and @Unknown Munitions are seriously interested in playing with some air guns (I have brake barrel, CO2, and PCP guns in pistol, carbine, and rifle configurations) let me know. I'll order extra tins of pellets that the guns like and come over to the shop. I'll bring targets and pellet traps and the like.

Jay

I'm kind of interested in getting an airgun for plinking/shooting squirrels in the back yard. I'd like to keep it as cheap as possible and don't really plan to shoot it at any sort of extended range. Got any recommendations?

 

[Mountain_Life]

I completely agree with him on the self-imposed time of flight restriction.

If time of flight over a half second is not ethical, what about archery hunting? Noise travels faster than an arrow and anyone who's hunted knows that a deer can move a lot even at 20 yards. I assume archery hunting over about 5 yards has to be a no go?

I think time of flight has to be completely based on what the animal is doing. If he's sleeping in the shade you'd be fine shooting from 2 miles away.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

If time of flight over a half second is not ethical, what about archery hunting? Noise travels faster than an arrow and anyone who's hunted knows that a deer can move a lot even at 20 yards. I assume archery hunting over about 5 yards has to be a no go?

I think time of flight has to be completely based on what the animal is doing. If he's sleeping in the shade you'd be fine shooting from 2 miles away.

I didn’t say anything about ethical. I said self-imposed limits.

I also don’t bow hunt.

But, yes, you have to have awareness of the situation and knowledge of animal behavior before you take the shot. That’s something I firmly believe and which the good 1802 referenced.

 

[Mountain_Life]

I did like his point about short range rifle hunting.

 

[The Guide]

I'm kind of interested in getting an airgun for plinking/shooting squirrels in the back yard. I'd like to keep it as cheap as possible and don't really plan to shoot it at any sort of extended range. Got any recommendations?

What is your price range? The cheapest to get into are the brake barrels. One of my favorite cheap pesting guns in recent times is the Gamo Varmint Power .25 Kit. Comes with a cheap 4x scope and a tin of pellets for $160 pre tax/shipping. Mine shot very well with the included pellets. It is a "medium" on the loudness scale but that is just the nature of a nitro piston drive brake barrel.

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Good review on the kit.

If you are looking for quieter, you'll need to step up into PCP type and those require an air source (like a hand pump or a compressor) and will be in the $250 to $600 range for a kit that comes with rifle and pump. You would still need a scope, bases, and pellets. I would suggest you look at this one by Air Venturi as it is a regulated PCP (more consistent from shot to shot), has a pic rail integrated into the receiver, magazine fed, and quiet. It is available in .177, .22, and .25 caliber (of which I'd suggest 22 or .25 for pesting and targets) and has a high review status. I have one of the higher grade models (Avenge X Tactical Carbine) in .25 caliber and it shoots extremely tight groups with multiple different types of pellets and weights.

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Lots of reviews on this gun. Look on YouTube and search for Air Venturi Avenger reviews. Here is one from the same reviewer as the other gun.

If you aren't keen on using a hand pump (portable and needs no power source) there are cheap HPVL (high pressure low volume) air pumps available now. I got one from Amazon and honestly it has brought my desire to shoot my air guns back due to the ease of pumping the air reservoir back up. I have the "standard" pump in the link below and it will work on even my 300 BAR (4500 psi) guns.

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Lots of good guns available. Get one and shoot year round.

Jay

 

[WCT3]

What is your price range? The cheapest to get into are the brake barrels. One of my favorite cheap pesting guns in recent times is the Gamo Varmint Power .25 Kit. Comes with a cheap 4x scope and a tin of pellets for $160 pre tax/shipping. Mine shot very well with the included pellets. It is a "medium" on the loudness scale but that is just the nature of a nitro piston drive brake barrel.

This is an online exclusive from Gamo USA.

Gamo Varmint Power .25 Kit – .25 Cal. Pellet Air Rifle Kit

Exclusive Gamo .25 air rifle kit featuring the .25 Varmint Power, 4x32 scope, and Magnum pellets. Power, accuracy, and value in one ready-to-shoot combo.

gamousa.com

Good review on the kit.

If you are looking for quieter, you'll need to step up into PCP type and those require an air source (like a hand pump or a compressor) and will be in the $250 to $600 range for a kit that comes with rifle and pump. You would still need a scope, bases, and pellets. I would suggest you look at this one by Air Venturi as it is a regulated PCP (more consistent from shot to shot), has a pic rail integrated into the receiver, magazine fed, and quiet. It is available in .177, .22, and .25 caliber (of which I'd suggest 22 or .25 for pesting and targets) and has a high review status. I have one of the higher grade models (Avenge X Tactical Carbine) in .25 caliber and it shoots extremely tight groups with multiple different types of pellets and weights.

Air Venturi Avenger Pump Kit | Pyramyd AIR

We've got a great price on the Air Venturi Avenger, Regulated PCP Air Rifle Pump Kit. Get a great price and expert advice at Pyramyd for your next outdoor adventure!

www.pyramydair.com

Lots of reviews on this gun. Look on YouTube and search for Air Venturi Avenger reviews. Here is one from the same reviewer as the other gun.

If you aren't keen on using a hand pump (portable and needs no power source) there are cheap HPVL (high pressure low volume) air pumps available now. I got one from Amazon and honestly it has brought my desire to shoot my air guns back due to the ease of pumping the air reservoir back up. I have the "standard" pump in the link below and it will work on even my 300 BAR (4500 psi) guns.

Amazon.com

Lots of good guns available. Get one and shoot year round.

Jay

$160 all in is great! I didn't really have a specific budget because I didn't really know what the market offer, the podcast with James inspired me but I definitely wasn't about to drop 2 grand plus for some plinking. Would you suggest .25 or .22 for any sort of pest control?

 

[WCT3]

If time of flight over a half second is not ethical, what about archery hunting? Noise travels faster than an arrow and anyone who's hunted knows that a deer can move a lot even at 20 yards. I assume archery hunting over about 5 yards has to be a no go?

I think time of flight has to be completely based on what the animal is doing. If he's sleeping in the shade you'd be fine shooting from 2 miles away.

I've always thought time of flight should be a good way to set ethical shot distance but I'm not a good enough shooter to ever determine what that time is. Half a second seems short to me, I think most hunters can reasonably anticipate an animals movement one second out but I also completely agree about what the animal is doing.