The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[6eagle]

Maybe explaining your issues dealing with them so other people can be informed would be more helpful than a childish laughing emoji.
My experience has been great multiple times, if others have had legitimate issues that would be worthwhile bringing to light. If your new here this isn't Facebook, act like an adult or you will be ignored by most.

I'll second that - Never had any issues dealing with GBT.

 

[eltorro]

This is a thread about S2H, not GBT. I understand that you like them. I abhor them. You’re from BC, I’m from Alberta (Texas / Montana) of Canada. I really wanted to send @Unknown Munitions a message to ask them to never do business with such a bad outfit. I didn’t, as many may still like GBT. I would never buy another item from them, if I were to hunt the rest of my life with a flintlock. So there you go … let’s go back to celebrating the UM selling through Jay and not having to explain myself so you’d agree or not agree with me and my experience with GBT.

 

[blue_ridge]

@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus in every discussion about drop testing I get the same 2 detractors which I think represent the 2 common knee jerk reactions - 1) “my scopes all work” “PRS champs use this scope” or they are industry shills for scope companies and don’t want to call attention to these failures. 2) stat weenies - “this is not a controlled test” “not large enough samples to be statistically viable” blah blah blah

As an aside: stats nerds are obsessed with sample size. For some reason they can’t factor in the purpose or importance of the object being tested. For example, if I designed a pacemaker and the first prototype failed in initial testing, we wouldn’t say, let’s build and test 30 more prototypes. A single failure of any type is not acceptable. Test over. Back to the drawing board. I believe this applies to how many scopes are used whether in self defense, law enforcement, back country hunts or competition.

Have you ever considered doing a podcast or video with another industry optics personality? Someone not tied to any optics companies. Like C_Does, Ilya Koshkin (DLO) or someone similar. The idea would be to take a bunch of popular scopes, explain your test, conduct tests, show the results and allow for some cross examination by an outside party. It might shed some light on the validity of all the good work you’ve done. Could coincide with the S2H scope release as well.

 

[Formidilosus]

Have you ever considered doing a podcast or video with another industry optics personality? Someone not tied to any optics companies. Like C_Does, Ilya Koshkin (DLO) or someone similar. The idea would be to take a bunch of popular scopes, explain your test, conduct tests, show the results and allow for some cross examination by an outside party. It might shed some light on the validity of all the good work you’ve done. Could coincide with the S2H scope release as well.

I’ve spoken to Ilya several years ago. He then went on SH and said that I wasn’t full of shit, and knew what was doing (paraphrasing). Somehow he conveniently forgot about that a few months later, even when someone reminded him. Ilya is 100% captured by the industry and his own ego. IIRC Ryan invited him on the podcast as well.

How simple is it to walk out and drop a rifle? That is the logical thing to do for anyone that doesn’t believe. So why don’t they do it? Why doesn’t Leupold or Vortex just walk over and drop a rifle in the grass?….. or have they….

 

[Bluumoon]

@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus in every discussion about drop testing I get the same 2 detractors which I think represent the 2 common knee jerk reactions - 1) “my scopes all work” “PRS champs use this scope” or they are industry shills for scope companies and don’t want to call attention to these failures. 2) stat weenies - “this is not a controlled test” “not large enough samples to be statistically viable” blah blah blah

As an aside: stats nerds are obsessed with sample size. For some reason they can’t factor in the purpose or importance of the object being tested. For example, if I designed a pacemaker and the first prototype failed in initial testing, we wouldn’t say, let’s build and test 30 more prototypes. A single failure of any type is not acceptable. Test over. Back to the drawing board. I believe this applies to how many scopes are used whether in self defense, law enforcement, back country hunts or competition.

Have you ever considered doing a podcast or video with another industry optics personality? Someone not tied to any optics companies. Like C_Does, Ilya Koshkin (DLO) or someone similar. The idea would be to take a bunch of popular scopes, explain your test, conduct tests, show the results and allow for some cross examination by an outside party. It might shed some light on the validity of all the good work you’ve done. Could coincide with the S2H scope release as well.

Funny enough there is a video snippet of Gunworks dropping their new rifle... Not sure if they did the whole drop test or what, but sure looked like they were attempting at least part of it.

 

[eltorro]

You certainly inspired me to do it! I had a zero shift that I couldn’t account for, so went off the firing line and dropped the rifle on the grass from 24” or so, about 5 times.
Either the rifle got scared of the rough treatment or the stars aligned … the POI never changed then or after that.

 

[Dobermann]

I’ve spoken to Ilya several years ago. He then went on SH and said that I wasn’t full of shit, and knew what was doing (paraphrasing). Somehow he conveniently forgot about that a few months later, even when someone reminded him. Ilya is 100% captured by the industry and his own ego.

For those new to this discussion, I can confirm all of the above.

It's also all contained in his posts on the hide and his long rambling videos - so you could confirm for yourself, but that would likely take days of your life that you can't get back.

 

[whoop]

Great news for Canadians: @Unknown Munitions and @Ryan Avery teamed up with Mindful hunter to make the UM and S2H products available north of the border.
We were missing out because the only ones that were selling your products up here was GoBig Tactical. And I don’t know anyone who wants to do business with them. Their interactions and customer service are as if you’d imagine … Hillary Clinton
Can’t wait to see this happen.

so that was the point of the podcast. i tuned in to get the latest batch of cool-aid, and maybe hear the word wallop. i checked out when the under wear salesman rambles on about daddy issues.