The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[wind gypsy]

Only needed a strap wrench to get one off, never to stay put on.

 

[bergerking21]

All my cans have been DT... even my magnus CB turned itself into direct thread since CB mount is locked in suppressor lol, always hand tight torque, never had issue coming loose or getting them off

 

[fisherman983]

We are way overthinking this DT issue. Shoot a few rounds to warm it up, then get it as hand-tight as possible. Unless you have shit threads, they don't come loose.

I think i have shit threads as my scythe his come loose a time or two and I'm always checking it. Next time I shoot I'll try and really tighten down when it's warm. Good to know, thanks.

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[B_Reynolds_AK]

I think i have shit threads as my scythe his come loose a time or two and I'm always checking it. Next time I shoot I'll try and really tighten down when it's warm. Good to know, thanks.

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No, it’ll get better as you get more carbon on both the threads of the suppressor and the barrel. Mine doesn’t come loose nearly as much as it did when it was new, and as Ryan said, just give it a good torque after a handful of shots.

 

[Dobermann]

@fisherman983 - or if that doesn't work, you can always use Rocksett. This is usually just used on muzzle adapters, but you can use on DTs as well. Only needs water to break the bond, not heat (like Loctite).

 

[199p]

been running direct thread for 20 years and never had an issue, i do cheek the can from time to time when out spotlighting rabbits and hares but could count on one hand times its come loose.
Im tempted to try an ATech that has a adaptor to simplify but i know of 3 people that have had issues with there zero moving with them

 

[Reburn]

I think i have shit threads as my scythe his come loose a time or two and I'm always checking it. Next time I shoot I'll try and really tighten down when it's warm. Good to know, thanks.

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My scythe is the only can I have had problems with. I had to put a pin head drop of rokset on the end cap and the brake. Then a small drop on the muzzle. That stopped the movement. I used just a very small amount of rokset as I wanted it not terrible to remove if need be.

 

[Dobermann]

been running direct thread for 20 years and never had an issue, i do cheek the can from time to time when out spotlighting rabbits and hares but could count on one hand times its come loose.
Im tempted to try an ATech that has a adaptor to simplify but i know of 3 people that have had issues with there zero moving with them

I was interested in the ATech too - not so much for the adapter, but as they do a 338 cal option.

Do you mean zero shifting from a non-suppressed barrel (which is common), or zero shifting during the use of the ATech? If the latter, what would cause that if the can doesn't shift?

 

[199p]

I was interested in the ATech too - not so much for the adapter, but as they do a 338 cal option.

Do you mean zero shifting from a non-suppressed barrel (which is common), or zero shifting during the use of the ATech? If the latter, what would cause that if the can doesn't shift?

No shifting zero slightly around when removing and reattaching the suppressor, he found that it helped to always index it so the label was on top and that helped minimize it.
this guy is or was a benchrest shooter so it could be the average person cant shoot constantly enough to notice from memory it was about a 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch at 100y. There is a thread on the nz hunting and shooting forum but i cant find it atm.

Not going to stop me from trying one out just not something ive found on my direct thread cans but maybe i have the magic touch. think i have about 5 or 6 different models / brands now always a sucker for trying something new

 

[DagOtto]

Old thought from the Federal Backcountry podcasts:

Ryan keeps saying that Federals claim of less recoil is bogus. But smaller cartridges that are more efficient do produce less actual foot pounds of recoil than larger cartridges. Even when launching the same bullet at the same velocity.

This is because the amount of powder being burned contributes to the recoil.

For example: when sending a 178gr ELD-M at 3000fps in a 8.25 pound gun a 300 WISM creates @29.03 fps of recoil while a 300 win mag creates @32.22 pounds of recoil.

Choice of powder makes a slight difference as well.

While I share skepticism about the cartridge overall I do think their claim of lighter recoil is valid. Albeit, its just a few footpounds.

Personally, I hope they work out the handloading and accuracy issues as I think more velocity in a smaller cartridge would be awesome!

 

[Ryan Avery]

Old thought from the Federal Backcountry podcasts:

Ryan keeps saying that Federals claim of less recoil is bogus. But smaller cartridges that are more efficient do produce less actual foot pounds of recoil than larger cartridges. Even when launching the same bullet at the same velocity.

This is because the amount of powder being burned contributes to the recoil.

For example: when sending a 178gr ELD-M at 3000fps in a 8.25 pound gun a 300 WISM creates @29.03 fps of recoil while a 300 win mag creates @32.22 pounds of recoil.

Choice of powder makes a slight difference as well.

While I share skepticism about the cartridge overall I do think their claim of lighter recoil is valid. Albeit, its just a few footpounds.

Personally, I hope they work out the handloading and accuracy issues as I think more velocity in a smaller cartridge would be awesome!

That podcast was a while ago, but I think Jake was arguing about recoil. Steel or hybrid cases are the future.. but I would wait a few years...

 

[Braaap]

Old thought from the Federal Backcountry podcasts:

Ryan keeps saying that Federals claim of less recoil is bogus. But smaller cartridges that are more efficient do produce less actual foot pounds of recoil than larger cartridges. Even when launching the same bullet at the same velocity.

This is because the amount of powder being burned contributes to the recoil.

For example: when sending a 178gr ELD-M at 3000fps in a 8.25 pound gun a 300 WISM creates @29.03 fps of recoil while a 300 win mag creates @32.22 pounds of recoil.

Choice of powder makes a slight difference as well.

While I share skepticism about the cartridge overall I do think their claim of lighter recoil is valid. Albeit, its just a few footpounds.

Personally, I hope they work out the handloading and accuracy issues as I think more velocity in a smaller cartridge would be awesome!

I haven’t taken a physics class since highschool but doesn’t force = mass x acceleration?

If the bullet weight is identical and the acceleration is identical then how would the force be different between 300wsm and 300wm? I don’t see how the powder charge has anything to do with this.

 

[wind gypsy]

I haven’t taken a physics class since highschool but doesn’t force = mass x acceleration?

If the bullet weight is identical and the acceleration is identical then how would the force be different between 300wsm and 300wm? I don’t see how the powder charge has anything to do with this.

Powder has mass and that mass accelerates forward out of the barrel. There is an equal and opposite reaction to said powder mass's acceleration out of the barrel.

 

[HighUintas]

The only difference between the two (if bullet and velocity and barrel length is identical) is the powder mass and internal ballistics changing the recoil impulse and pressure. So there's going to be a hair more recoil with the larger case just from the extra powder. How the recoil impulse and pressure change the total amount of perceived recoil, I don't know.

I don't think it would make enough difference to matter if considering 7 backcountry or 7prc

 

[Braaap]

Powder has mass and that mass accelerates forward out of the barrel. There is an equal and opposite reaction to said powder mass's acceleration out of the barrel.

Copy. I hadn’t considered the mass and direction of the powder. Thank you

 

[BjornF16]

It sounded to me that Jake was talking at 1.2x speed on the Procision Arms podcast…

 

[Brontosaurus]

I will say that I'm pretty psyched for this raven action! If I understand correctly nitride will come standard? Additionally how does form feel about the triggertech triggers for tikkas? I've heard good things about the KRG midas. But not much past that in terms of aftermarket options.

 

[khuber84]

Powder has mass and that mass accelerates forward out of the barrel. There is an equal and opposite reaction to said powder mass's acceleration out of the barrel.

20k psi higher chamber pressure will likely be higher muzzle pressures right? More muzzle pressure will be added recoil.

 

[Harvey_NW]

20k psi higher chamber pressure will likely be higher muzzle pressures right? More muzzle pressure will be added recoil.

Wouldn't that be encompassed in the velocity portion of the equation?

 

[DagOtto]

The only difference between the two (if bullet and velocity and barrel length is identical) is the powder mass and internal ballistics changing the recoil impulse and pressure. So there's going to be a hair more recoil with the larger case just from the extra powder. How the recoil impulse and pressure change the total amount of perceived recoil, I don't know.

I don't think it would make enough difference to matter if considering 7 backcountry or 7prc

I think that you are right that the difference is minor and not worth considering when choosing a cartridge. The biggest differences I've seen in running some comparisons were a few foot pounds of force.

Having said that, I do love reducing felt recoil and feel that it is the single biggest factor in increasing my own personal accuracy.