The Rokslide Stock Traders Thread

I dunno, but some of these threads sound no different than playing roulette and betting on “red 18”.

Gambling on biotechs, nuclear power, crypto, whatever and hoping to strike it rich.

Hard to beat a lifetime of making monthly deposits into a low cost S&P 500 index fund.
I would bet that the vast majority of the consistent posters in here have their largest chunk in low cost ETFs or similar.

It’s just not as much fun to talk about VOO going up 1.5% in a day.


MSTR bounced good this morning. PSX is up well for me.
 
I dunno, but some of these threads sound no different than playing roulette and betting on “red 18”.

Gambling on biotechs, nuclear power, crypto, whatever and hoping to strike it rich.

Hard to beat a lifetime of making monthly deposits into a low cost S&P 500 index
Sometimes you get to a place where you can do both.
 
Good start to today in my portfolio. Let's see what the week brings
Yeah, and last Friday was a barn burner day.

I'm a bit shocked the market is up today with the Venezuelan overhang. And its not just Venezuela- this could open the door for all kinds of unintended consequencesFor Example; won't China feel like, "We have to do Something"?

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Using VOO is a great investment strategy....primarily because they prune the losers and add winners every year- a self fulfilling prophesy. Then add the passive investment $$ flooding in like clockwork. The problem is Human nature comes into play where we see these high flyers and want a piece of that action. I do think- heck, I know- the avg guy can outperform the markets by doing research and being in sectors that will outperform.

It's been proven time and again that it's extremely hard to outperform by trying to pick the next big home run penny stock. Even the Hedge fund guys spread their bets on these. SMR is a case in point. I was watching that in 2024 below $3, then was going to buy at $5...didn't and in July 2025 it ran up to over $50. One had to be smart enough to buy it when nobody wanted it...and to sell it when the hype made it look like it was going to 800.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the bitcoin rip today ?

Is this the pump before the MSCI listing decision tomorrow ?

Numerous factors converging, but the core sentiment seems to be the same as the gold surge in that geo political instability can drive stability for certain assets.

But here's the thing about chaos: it cuts both ways. The same geopolitical uncertainty that's driving institutional money into gold is also reminding crypto natives why Bitcoin was invented in the first place. When governments can capture sitting heads of state in midnight raids and declare they'll "run" entire countries, suddenly the idea of an asset that governments can’t easily seize or control starts looking pretty attractive again.

XRP is up almost 10% today.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on the bitcoin rip today ?

Is this the pump before the MSCI listing decision tomorrow ?

Fed has been quietly printing, which is helping. Last friday etf inflows were up after being flat or down for weeks.

I’d like to see it hold 93-94 for a few days before getting too excited.

As Poser pointed out people/nations are looking for a way to protect what they have from debasement and or physically being taken. If the news on Iran is real I can see people over there buying btc/physical gold and silver to protect themselves.

I did see a post about some very nice properties in Venezuela for sale if anyone is looking for beach front property.


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I do think- heck, I know- the avg guy can outperform the markets by doing research and being in sectors that will outperform.

I think this is highly debatable (quoting you since you said it most succinctly, but I have read this sentiment a couple of times on here recently).

I’m sure most are well aware of this, but few professionals and few investors beat the market over any long term period, let alone in a single year.

Here are some quick reads on that




Berkshire Hathaway/Warren Buffet beat the S&P by 0.8% annually across the last 25 years


Famously, Fidelity found most of their best performing investment accounts were those belonging to people who had passed away.

I’m always thinking about stock picking ad surrounded by people who do it. I can rarely get a straight answer out of people about whether they’re ahead or behind.

Personally I’m behind on my ~$250 or so that I’ve played with over the last 5 years.

A few thoughts I have about the stock market and stock picking.

1. There has been a huge run up in stocks the last 5-10 years. It may arguably be a little easier to find winners right now. As I understand history has shown, it has always been tough to know when to sell those winners.

2. I always remind myself that it if I had to pay anywhere from 1-5 hours of attention per week to the markets, I had better have some measurable gains over the market. Time could be much better spent earning overtime, advancing my career, or a side hustle. Those endeavors have (in my estimation) more concrete and likely returns on investment than stock picking, an endeavor where most people can not beat the market reliably.

Nothing against anyone who stock picking.

Sidenote: I always see Motley Fool advertise some ridiculous rate of return. Does anyone use their Stock Advisor service?
 
As stated above….“ I know- the avg guy can outperform the markets by doing research and being in sectors that will outperform”

The problem is that the average guy has about 1 or 2% of the data (research on individual stocks and sectors) that Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, or Fidelity Investments have.

This is who the average guy is competing against when he tries to outperform the market
 
I'm basing it off my own accounts...if I can do it so can others. I know for a fact, I have friends and there are some here that have outperformed the averages for years too.

I haven't owned bonds for many years. I do have a concentrated portfolio which goes against Financial planning pro advice- thus I take on more risk. I manage risk differently. It's not for everyone.

I would agree that the best strategy for most folks is to set and forget dollar cost avg into ETF's like VOO, QTEC and a few others. That strategy is VERY hard to beat performance wise.
 
I would agree that the best strategy for most folks is to set and forget dollar cost avg into ETF's like VOO, QTEC and a few others. That strategy is VERY hard to beat performance wise.
It sounds like we agree more than we disagree.

I’ll add a few other ideas and would love to hear any responses or caveats that point out where I may be going astray.

I observe/think that the below points are often discounted or underplayed:


To capture the performance of a market, you must make only one right decision- buy an index fund. If at any point you sell, you have performed as well as the market.

To beat a market, you must make two correct decisions - first, identify a stock that is set to outperform and buy it, and second, identify when that stock will cease to outperform the market and then sell it.

Holding assets that are currently beating the market is (in my estimation) only something like 40-80% proof that you can/are going to beat the market.

Since very few companies beat the market over a long term period, beating the market almost always entails both buying and selling. Until an asset has been sold, it still has the ability to start underperforming and begin to lose to the market.

In my own experience, picking the winner is not enough.

I was right on Tesla, but sold too early. That means I was ultimately still wrong/underperforming. I am currently right with Amazon, but I have to decide to sell that at some point, otherwise I am almost gaurunteed to lose to the market over the next 10, 20, 30, or 40 years.

I am not accusing anyone of misleading or being in poor faith by bringing up these points, just trying to add to the conversation.
 
I think that if one tries to trade their way to beating the market they will 100% fail, there was a little point brought up above about fidelity analyzing all investment accounts with them and the majority of the accounts beating the market belonging to dead people, that’s because dead people aren’t selling, they are holding. Buy and hold, and continue to hold, because good companies might have periods where they don’t beat the market but good companies will continue to beat the market over the longer term.


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While I am waiting for a pick to get back to black, the market is slowly moving forward. So when it shows my account at an even balance, it's truly a loss compared to where those funds would be if in an index from the time I bought the single stock.
Over my adult investing lifetime, my bandwidth has been elsewhere and index buy and hold was the default. It's working out.
 
Seems to me there are many ways to outperform a market, here's a couple.

There was a poster here early on that identified an anomaly with a small oil stock and absolutely crushed it. I know because I jumped on the bandwagon [though a little late]

Look at VGT's performance over the last decade.....(or QTEC or one of the other Tech ETF's)

VOO got you 85% in 5 yrs....5 years of VGT got you 122%

FWIW, I don't like backward comparisons....thats done, over. What is going to do well going forward? So what if Bitcoin made some early folks billionaires- what's it going to do now and in the future? Same for Gold, Silver, and stocks in various industries.

I can already hear it, "But nobody can predict the future"

Oh really? It's hard to pick the next great thing....but pretty easy to say Tech will be a larger component of our lives over the next many years. I would have laughed if someone tried to tell me I would be paying $1200 for an iPhone 20 years ago. But now I gladly pay that for a device that I can run multiple businesses from- along with about 100 other things.
 
Four days until fully funding four different IRAs. Mine (very short horizon, I’m 62), my wife’s (she’s 59), my daughter’s (she’s 40), and my son’s (he’s 25).

Time to figure it out.

Okay, you guys are A LOT smarter than I am. $8,600 each in my and my wife’s IRAs, $7,500 each in my son and daughter’s IRAs.

Where do I put it, tomorrow?
 
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