The opposite of the Rokslide special, tooter and quartering gut shots with large cartridges

[mtnbiker208]

one thing i find funny is, the young guns who are telling the fudds what to do, yet the fudds have killed more elk than the age of the young guns.

most of you think, the texas heart shot is a new thing, which it is not.

 

[hibernation]

I like as consumers we get to vote with our purchases.

Unfortunately in this case, we also vote with our views and clicks. Controversy drives engagement and that's all the consumption some industries need anymore.

 

[hibernation]

Ugh. I've typed and deleted three responses to this thread, but here goes.

The guy in the video is a hold over to the mentality that writers like Boddington espoused in the 70's: "Put one in 'em and track 'em down".
I hunted with an Uncle of mine who had that attitude, and he often backed it up with nonsense written in gun rags at the time. He is like a dad to me, but we had a blow out years ago about that attitude and i never hunted with him again.

This is a great opportunity to "break the cycle" and have a new generation of hunters and woodsmen that are better rounded when it comes to cartridge/bullet and shot selection as well as all other aspects of hunting.

Our goal should be to provide the quickest and most humane deaths in the woods and on the mountain. Nature itself is cruel and ruthless in how she kills. We should strive to be better.

I finally read some Jack O'Connor hunting stories a few years ago after hearing so much about his celebrated sheep hunts. I got the impression their motto was "send it", it was a lot of hits on the 3rd or 4th shot and they wrote so openly about that I can only assume it was the norm. Dude hunted bighorns like he was shooting at ground squirrels. Different era, different attitudes, and it's something we should really move past.

 

[LongWayAround]

one thing i find funny is, the young guns who are telling the fudds what to do, yet the fudds have killed more elk than the age of the young guns.

most of you think, the texas heart shot is a new thing, which it is not.

Nobody thinks it's a "new thing".

 

[LongWayAround]

I finally read some Jack O'Connor hunting stories a few years ago after hearing so much about his celebrated sheep hunts. I got the impression their motto was "send it", it was a lot of hits on the 3rd or 4th shot and they wrote so openly about that I can only assume it was the norm. Dude hunted bighorns like he was shooting at ground squirrels. Different era, different attitudes, and it's something we should really move past.

For a while I was reading the "vintage" articles on Outdoor Life. Some of them are pretty good. Others just make you cringe.

Stories of taking long range shots at unknown distance... I read one where the guy guessed a moose was something like 800yd and he just started lobbing shots with a 30-06 and a 4x scope. Didn't get it? Just find another one to shoot at.

Meanwhile, current "old" guys have no problem criticizing people who actually practice that with much better equipment.

 

[Formidilosus]

I finally read some Jack O'Connor hunting stories a few years ago after hearing so much about his celebrated sheep hunts. I got the impression their motto was "send it", it was a lot of hits on the 3rd or 4th shot and they wrote so openly about that I can only assume it was the norm. Dude hunted bighorns like he was shooting at ground squirrels. Different era, different attitudes, and it's something we should really move past.

Oh absolutely. Years ago in another forum that was waxing on and on about the ethical podium of old timers, while bemoaning the “long range” crowd,and using the famous writers of old to do so…. I pointed out that in just one book of Jack O’Conner’s that he/they averaged something like a 60% miss or first shot wound rate on sheep. Jumping off of horses and lobbing rounds at sprinting deer and sheep. Just one book- with chapter and page of each.
They, like everyone I grew up with shot at any animal that wanted to kill nearly regardless of angle, movement, or range. You go to any deer camp, watch almost any outfitter for a season, or actually listen to people in real life- it is an absolute shit show more often than not. Fred Bear darkened the sky at times with a recurve launching arrows at long range at animals.

 

[hibernation]

Aside, I wonder how many here archery hunt for elk and consider it perfectly ethical?

I used to get the yearly stats by a local outfitter off a well known local ranch. Their overall recovery rate over the years was less than 50%. Going by memory, around 30%.

All my friends bow hunt. I used to. I'm for bowhunting and bowhunters (though you could make a pretty good case a compound bow, while a vicious little machine, is not really a bow). But I won't bow hunt for elk. It's a low percentage pursuit. My choice, and I support yours.

Years ago I had a conversation with an FWP employee. She mentioned if PETA knew what went on during elk season in the mountains of Montana we'd probably lose archery elk season. Everyone who has been at it for any period of time has lost an elk. Yearly there are photos of bulls with arrows sticking out of them, or photos of broadheads being uncovered from rifle killed elk.

So there is that...

I don't think it's inherently a low percentage pursuit, it's that people take the same philosophy as what started this thread - "it was the only shot I had" - and make some wild decisions. They're taking low percentage shots when, IMO, they should be passing.

Couldn't get a range because it "came in too fast"? Hold high and send it! Frontal shot at 60 yards, while it's staring you down? Send it! Bull's hung up at 80 yards because you're bad at calling? Dial that sight and send it!

I've talked to all of these people during elk seasons, it's always the same excuses. It's always a clean miss or a flesh wound, they just grazed the brisket, he'll recover. None of them have considered that maybe they didn't actually have a "shot opportunity", they just saw an elk and flung an arrow.

Bowhunting elk can be a really high-percentage affair IF you're willing to pass up the low-percentage shots. Some people just aren't willing to wait for that.

 

[Billy Goat]

Unfortunately in this case, we also vote with our views and clicks. Controversy drives engagement and that's all the consumption some industries need anymore.

That's only if you click and view it.

Fortunately I let fellow WKR's view it and inform me of my position so I can then belittle without viewing.

 

[Reburn]

Oh absolutely. Years ago in another forum that was waxing on and on about the ethical podium of old timers, while bemoaning the “long range” crowd,and using the famous writers of old to do so…. I pointed out that in just one book of Jack O’Conner’s that he/they averaged something like a 60% miss or first shot wound rate on sheep. Jumping off of horses and lobbing rounds at sprinting deer and sheep. Just one book- with chapter and page of each.
They, like everyone I grew up with shot at any animal that wanted to kill nearly regardless of angle, movement, or range. You go to any deer camp, watch almost any outfitter for a season, or actually listen to people in real life- it is an absolute shit show more often than not. Fred Bear darkened the sky at times with a recurve launching arrows at long range at animals.

My brother and I pulled a little basket rack 10 point off the wall at my dads old house and it said click Texas, 6 shots 30-30. We laughed like crazy and asked him why 6 shots and he said because the gun didnt hold 7.......its been on the wall for as long as I can remember.

 

[gbflyer]

What is lost in what I’ve read (not all of it) is that you don’t have to pull the trigger. It’s not a demerit from your man card to let the bull walk away if the shot isn’t right. Simple.

 

[Choupique]

why 6 shots and he said because the gun didnt hold 7

I once left the camp with 7 .30-30 bullets and came back with zero bullets and one dead 8 point

 

[Formidilosus]

My brother and I pulled a little basket rack 10 point off the wall at my dads old house and it said click Texas, 6 shots 30-30. We laughed like crazy and asked him why 6 shots and he said because the gun didnt hold 7.......its been on the wall for as long as I can remember.

Haha.

 

[LongWayAround]

What is lost in what I’ve read (not all of it) is that you don’t have to pull the trigger. It’s not a demerit from your man card to let the bull walk away if the shot isn’t right. Simple.

Exactly. I had a really good bull in the scope this season. He was moving fairly quick at a range that I would feel totally confident. Brush/deadfall in every lane. No shot for me. I have no doubt that the majority of hunters are shooting at that elk.

 

[Marbles]

I just don't hate them that much, or maybe im not hungry enough.

I think the only time for the tooter shot, or blowing off a leg to slow them down, is when you have fallen behind and the algorithm won't keep you on the top of the gram. That's when it becomes exceptable.

Remember, keep pushing them to keep them bleeding.

Absolutely, me too.

 

[Billy Goat]

I once left the camp with 7 .30-30 bullets and came back with zero bullets and one dead 8 point

I once emptied a dirty thirty at a basket rack 8 walking by around 75 yards.

I walked back with an empty gun, and no deer. Buddy beside me got of 3 shots with a single shot 20 ga.

Deer was unscathed, we were probably not of an age we should have been out on our own.

Certainly didn't know what we were doing, but neither of us came from a hunting family either, learning on our own.

 

[Marbles]

I once emptied a dirt thirty at a basket rack 8 walking by around 75 yards.

You been drinking the juice from the silage again and slurring your words on talk to text?

 

[rickyw]

This thread reminds me of the archery hunters up on the haul road launching arrows 100 yards at caribou. Just another version of desperate

 

[wyosam]

I once left the camp with 7 .30-30 bullets and came back with zero bullets and one dead 8 point

I had a few of those in my teens. Usually went like- 1st shot- hit but not down. Shots 2-5 feeble attempt to anchor deer while flinging lead at running deer as fast as I can cycle the lever. If deer still visible, try to calm down and end this with 6 and 7. Find deer, has 1 hole in it and it didn’t run particularly far. I did once have one with 3 holes in it, 2 of which would have been fatal quickly-lungs and neck that dropped it. Also hit front leg below chest. I used to shoot (at mostly) jack rabbits with that rifle for practice.


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[Billy Goat]

You been drinking the juice from the silage again and slurring your words on talk to text?

Damn autocorrect

 

[BLJ]

What is lost in what I’ve read (not all of it) is that you don’t have to pull the trigger. It’s not a demerit from your man card to let the bull walk away if the shot isn’t right. Simple.

This x1000.

People value the picture of them holding horns more than ethics way too often.