You would think if he’s going to do a video for the internet he would put a clean hat on
. Maybe he was sweating his azz off trying to track all the big game he shoots in the tooter.
The opposite of the Rokslide special, tooter and quartering gut shots with large cartridges
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. Maybe he was sweating his azz off trying to track all the big game he shoots in the tooter.RancherJohn
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Have you shot the Carl Ross drill in the thread below? I have on a regular basis for a while now, and still find myself in the mid teens most of the time with the majority of misses coming from the standing shots. I have my lucky days where I'm on top of the world, but overall I am not as good as I once thought I was after I looked at my results day in and day out for months on end.
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I'm looking forward to seeing what your technique is if you're willing to share, as I find shooting a tight group standing to be one of the more difficult & humbling aspects of that drill. I have been shooting my whole life, including 10 years as a professional waterfowl/whitetail guide and currently shooting multiple thousands of rounds a year mixed between shotgun, pistol, ARs, and bolt guns with my range starting at my back door (and literally more ground squirrels than I know what to do with absent a beltfed .17HMR). I still can't shoot sub 3MOA offhand on demand, let alone feeling good about calling it a gimme on a moving target. And given that this conversation stemmed from an animal not giving a broadside shot, we will caveat that it is not moving directly away at 0* elevation relative to the shooter. Nothing is flat in the west, and in my experience it's not in the east either, plus nature abhors a straight line.
At the very least, I think we can agree that it is not a shot that should be recommended to just anyone and should be treated like knife safety or the English language - you have to learn all the rules before you start to break them.
Maybe it is because I'm a large human (6'6") but why are people shooting the ass of an animal instead of the back of the head/neck/spine between the shoulders? I've never felt that the only shot I had on an uninjured animal was to send a round into the hind quarters and possibly ruin the best meat on an animal. I'm not starving and neither is my family group. It's OK to let the animals win sometimes if you can not make an ethical shot.
Jay
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Probably because you've never been in that situation to where that was the only shot you could take, like as if your life dependent on that shot alone.
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I just don't hate them that much, or maybe im not hungry enough.
I think the only time for the tooter shot, or blowing off a leg to slow them down, is when you have fallen behind and the algorithm won't keep you on the top of the gram. That's when it becomes exceptable.
Remember, keep pushing them to keep them bleeding.
I think the only time for the tooter shot, or blowing off a leg to slow them down, is when you have fallen behind and the algorithm won't keep you on the top of the gram. That's when it becomes exceptable.
Remember, keep pushing them to keep them bleeding.
I have shot a bunch of stuff up the ass, mainly pigs. When you sneak up onto a bunch of them out in a stubble field you’ll get one textbook broadside or quartered shot. After the first it’s chaos and many times it’s shoot them in the south end or only get one, I’m not into only getting one.
I’ve shot an elk a little left of the tail as he headed for parts unknown. He was already shot through the chest but I wasn’t sure as he was picking up and moving on at high speed. Bullet smashed the ball joint and the pelvis, continued across and through the grass bag and liver and exited the ribcage but was caught by the hide in the armpit of the off shoulder. All that with a 130gr .277 ETip. I lost almost no meat at all. Maybe he was mostly bled out from the first shot, I don’t know but I do know that the quarter was very clean with no bloodshot.
Biggest buck I ever killed I shot right under the tail and it exited his front at the base of the neck. I thought he was wounded and was trying to stop him, turned out I only hit him the one time.
It isn’t the shot I prefer and it can be messy. With pigs I ain’t eating them anyway so I don’t care. It doesn’t take a cannon, 90 percent of pigs I’ve shot with a 223. If you can break the big bone structure it’s an undeniably devastating and lethal shot whether spine, pelvis, or upper hip.
I’ve shot an elk a little left of the tail as he headed for parts unknown. He was already shot through the chest but I wasn’t sure as he was picking up and moving on at high speed. Bullet smashed the ball joint and the pelvis, continued across and through the grass bag and liver and exited the ribcage but was caught by the hide in the armpit of the off shoulder. All that with a 130gr .277 ETip. I lost almost no meat at all. Maybe he was mostly bled out from the first shot, I don’t know but I do know that the quarter was very clean with no bloodshot.
Biggest buck I ever killed I shot right under the tail and it exited his front at the base of the neck. I thought he was wounded and was trying to stop him, turned out I only hit him the one time.
It isn’t the shot I prefer and it can be messy. With pigs I ain’t eating them anyway so I don’t care. It doesn’t take a cannon, 90 percent of pigs I’ve shot with a 223. If you can break the big bone structure it’s an undeniably devastating and lethal shot whether spine, pelvis, or upper hip.
I'll just head shoot a grouse and wait another day for my elk steaks. I don't like bloodshot burgers.
Jay
I read earlier in the thread that it was a “femoral shot that also takes out bone.”
Not an ass shot. Two completely different things.
Try and keep up, Jay.
Exactly.Sorry, "high speed bullet induced hip surgery".
Jay
Sometimes you have to work on the hips to have an opportunity to work on the heart.
You really think I’m going home with nothing????
I used to say the same thing around closing time at the bar. Got me into some real life or death situations the next morning...Exactly.
Sometimes you have to work on the hips to have an opportunity to work on the heart.
You really think I’m going home with nothing????
Jay
Tobe_B
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I used to say the same thing around closing time at the bar. Got me into some real life or death situations the next morning...
Jay
Yeah but in that scenario a shot in the tooter is definitely your safest option.
That is the only time that a tooter shot should be your first shot. Keeps the child support deductions away! Safest shot for all involved and works well on the biggest of beasts.
Jay
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Some Gold here. Well played Folks. Made my morning
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I'll go ahead and answer for him.
No. Not a chance.
You're talking to the same guy that thinks head shooting spotlighted racoons is the same as deer/elk.
You have to remember that he "grew up shooting" and is thusly immune to perishable skill level. Every old guy thinks they either are or were some version of Carlos Hathcock meets John Wayne.
Thankfully im not old. I believe myself to be like John Wick instead.
It may depend on the situation. Someone who hunts elk every year and sees them regularly may have a completely different toolbox in terms of experience and choices, vs someone who just hiked a death march and sees “the only animal” that year.
If your actual moral compass allows you to think that after all the effort, you don’t want to miss any opportunity, be it up the tooter or far away, then go equipped to take that shot. A good penetrating bullet and - as many suggested- an adequate caliber for the job.
Afterall, isn’t that what the long-range crowd does? Train and equip themselves to not miss any chances, even if the animal is more than 500m away.
I’ve never shot anything where Texans would find a heart… but then again, I may not have been where the choice was presented in a compelling way.
I do remember in my youth, not shooting at a whitetail because I wasn’t sure I’d hit it perfectly and getting scolded for it. It was a party hunt and I failed to at least try. Shooting at a flagging tail didn’t seem right, but letting everyone down was also not right.
If your actual moral compass allows you to think that after all the effort, you don’t want to miss any opportunity, be it up the tooter or far away, then go equipped to take that shot. A good penetrating bullet and - as many suggested- an adequate caliber for the job.
Afterall, isn’t that what the long-range crowd does? Train and equip themselves to not miss any chances, even if the animal is more than 500m away.
I’ve never shot anything where Texans would find a heart… but then again, I may not have been where the choice was presented in a compelling way.
I do remember in my youth, not shooting at a whitetail because I wasn’t sure I’d hit it perfectly and getting scolded for it. It was a party hunt and I failed to at least try. Shooting at a flagging tail didn’t seem right, but letting everyone down was also not right.
He is not wrong. Have seen it work on more then a few deer. He tells it like it is and has more experience then most for sure
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I'll go out on a limb and say the guy with an ammo company selling large cartridges may have some bias towards promoting this shot.
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