The future of NR hunting in Wyoming

[Archer86]

Haha....another thread with everyone threatening to move to wyoming. Come on colorado eliminate otc and go 90 10 so they have somewhere else to move..

 

[Hunt the Top]

@Hunt the Top In my opinion I don't think western states are ever going to be able to price out NR from hunting. Of course, there will be guys who drop out but when they do there are 10 more that take his place. Look at all the outfitters who are booked years in advance with mostly NR. Every fall when the waves of DIY NR show up at the trailheads they all are well equipped with:
$50,000+ truck
$20,000+ toy hauler
$20,000 UTV
$500+ backpack
$1,000s in camo
$1,000 binos
$3-400 rangefinders
$800 sidearm
$2,000+ bow or rifle
$300 boots

The way it looks to me is that most everybody has enough disposable income to throw at a $2k NR elk license and the people who don't will do whatever it takes to make it work & go hunting!



Another serious question I have for you @Hunt the Top
In your initial post you said :

As someone who creates content on YouTube like yourself and you are promoting public land DIY hunting do you feel like you have played a role in creating a higher demand?

My comment wasn’t necessary stating that I am “anti social media”, but curious others thoughts on if they feel like it’s a good thing or not.. My dabbling on YouTube is nothing more than a hobby and for friends and family to enjoy. I have never tried to publicize or make money from my passion as a hunter. I actually enjoy watching others hunting vids on YouTube and do so almost every night. I have deleted all of my other social media accounts because I don’t like what the platforms have been turned into. I was internally challenged and wanted my “motive” to be pure on “why” I was hunting. I feel like social media has potentially taken away from many people actually enjoying the sport of hunting. The temptation for instant gratification to see how many “likes” an individual can get seems to be a high priority with some. That being said, to each their own. Me personally, I just wanted to get back to my roots on “why” I hunt. This fall I made the decision to step away from all the distractions. No social media, no camera.. Just enjoy the hunt and truly take in the moments in the mtns away from all the hustle & bustle. I walked away with a more clear perspective and it’s got me thinking about things like this. I appreciate your comments and question. The intent for this thread was to spark some fruitful discussion. Thanks

 

[PredatoronthePrairie]

@Hunt the Top In my opinion I don't think western states are ever going to be able to price out NR from hunting. Of course, there will be guys who drop out but when they do there are 10 more that take his place. Look at all the outfitters who are booked years in advance with mostly NR. Every fall when the waves of DIY NR show up at the trailheads they all are well equipped with:
$50,000+ truck
$20,000+ toy hauler
$20,000 UTV
$500+ backpack
$1,000s in camo
$1,000 binos
$3-400 rangefinders
$800 sidearm
$2,000+ bow or rifle
$300 boots

The way it looks to me is that most everybody has enough disposable income to throw at a $2k NR elk license and the people who don't will do whatever it takes to make it work & go

Jeez, guess I must be what they call the working poor. At least I can claim it's to fill the freezer when I shoot a forkie on the last day. Ha

 

[Lawnboi]

@Hunt the Top In my opinion I don't think western states are ever going to be able to price out NR from hunting. Of course, there will be guys who drop out but when they do there are 10 more that take his place. Look at all the outfitters who are booked years in advance with mostly NR. Every fall when the waves of DIY NR show up at the trailheads they all are well equipped with:
$50,000+ truck
$20,000+ toy hauler
$20,000 UTV
$500+ backpack
$1,000s in camo
$1,000 binos
$3-400 rangefinders
$800 sidearm
$2,000+ bow or rifle
$300 boots

The way it looks to me is that most everybody has enough disposable income to throw at a $2k NR elk license and the people who don't will do whatever it takes to make it work & go hunting!



Another serious question I have for you @Hunt the Top
In your initial post you said :

As someone who creates content on YouTube like yourself and you are promoting public land DIY hunting do you feel like you have played a role in creating a higher demand?

Hey now let’s not lump all of us NR in there.

If the price keeps going up at this rate that is all you will see though, you are correct. My working class wage will pay for a few coyote hunts maybe.

 

[PablitoPescador]

My comment wasn’t necessary stating that I am “anti social media”, but curious others thoughts on if they feel like it’s a good thing or not.. My dabbling on YouTube is nothing more than a hobby and for friends and family to enjoy. I have never tried to publicize or make money from my passion as a hunter. I actually enjoy watching others hunting vids on YouTube and do so almost every night. I have deleted all of my other social media accounts because I don’t like what the platforms have been turned into. I was internally challenged and wanted my “motive” to be pure on “why” I was hunting. I feel like social media has potentially taken away from many people actually enjoying the sport of hunting. The temptation for instant gratification to see how many “likes” an individual can get seems to be a high priority with some. That being said, to each their own. Me personally, I just wanted to get back to my roots on “why” I hunt. This fall I made the decision to step away from all the distractions. No social media, no camera.. Just enjoy the hunt and truly take in the moments in the mtns away from all the hustle & bustle. I walked away with a more clear perspective and it’s got me thinking about things like this. I appreciate your comments and question. The intent for this thread was to spark some fruitful discussion. Thanks

I did the same this year. Best season I’ve ever had! Hunting is way more enjoyable without the social media distraction

 

[Maverick1]

Never seen a thread like this before. Off to a great start already! Grabbing popcorn now! (I wonder how this one turns out.)

There have been a couple of threads on this topic....

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General Elk Drawing Odds

 

[dieselchessy]

Wyoming is interesting. Since the serious 90/10 threat a few years ago and the creation of the working group point creep has gone crazy. Folks burning 9, 10, or more points on units that were only 5 or 6 points just a few years ago. It looks like lots of folks are getting out. But there are 100k+ still waiting in the wings.

All this point creep has made many of the tags OIL tags on the preference side.
Once a person burns their stockpile of points they will be relegated to the general and other lower demand tags and the random draw.
But more people buy their first point every year.

I don’t see much changing with the price increase.

 

[SuperDUECE22]

My comment wasn’t necessary stating that I am “anti social media”, but curious others thoughts on if they feel like it’s a good thing or not.. My dabbling on YouTube is nothing more than a hobby and for friends and family to enjoy. I have never tried to publicize or make money from my passion as a hunter. I actually enjoy watching others hunting vids on YouTube and do so almost every night. I have deleted all of my other social media accounts because I don’t like what the platforms have been turned into. I was internally challenged and wanted my “motive” to be pure on “why” I was hunting. I feel like social media has potentially taken away from many people actually enjoying the sport of hunting. The temptation for instant gratification to see how many “likes” an individual can get seems to be a high priority with some. That being said, to each their own. Me personally, I just wanted to get back to my roots on “why” I hunt. This fall I made the decision to step away from all the distractions. No social media, no camera.. Just enjoy the hunt and truly take in the moments in the mtns away from all the hustle & bustle. I walked away with a more clear perspective and it’s got me thinking about things like this. I appreciate your comments and question. The intent for this thread was to spark some fruitful discussion. Thanks

Thank you for the response and for what it's worth I completely agree with almost everything you said. I am one of those guys that believe social media has had a negative effect on hunting. I think overall the hunting community would all be in a much better place if they did what you did and put down the camera and get back to your roots of hunting for the right reasons and not for clout on social media. I also believe that YouTube is a CATCH22 for a lot of guys with similar viewpoints as me because a lot of us will consume content from time to time but from doing that we are enabling the people we disagree with.

 

[PablitoPescador]

Randy Newberg’s recent video titled “burn your points” just struck me as being incredibly ironic. Here we have an influential hunting figure who’s main gig is to show thousands of people how to do a diy western hunt. He talks about how demand has gotten so bad that the best strategy is now to scrounge up whatever tag you can get because it ain’t gonna get any better. To top it off the video is sponsored by Gohunt! It’s time to quit funding the people and companies who are destroying western hunting.

 

[southLA]

Randy Newberg’s recent video titled “burn your points” just struck me as being incredibly ironic. Here we have an influential hunting figure who’s main gig is to show thousands of people how to do a diy western hunt. He talks about how demand has gotten so bad that the best strategy is now to scrounge up whatever tag you can get because it ain’t gonna get any better. To top it off the video is sponsored by Gohunt! It’s time to quit funding the people and companies who are destroying western hunting.

It is a bit ironic, agreed.

 

[backcountry_hunter]

It is a bit ironic, agreed.

Randy Newberg’s recent video titled “burn your points” just struck me as being incredibly ironic. Here we have an influential hunting figure who’s main gig is to show thousands of people how to do a diy western hunt. He talks about how demand has gotten so bad that the best strategy is now to scrounge up whatever tag you can get because it ain’t gonna get any better. To top it off the video is sponsored by Gohunt! It’s time to quit funding the people and companies who are destroying western hunting.

Hard to take him serious when his kid had max points going into wyo a few years ago and he hunted 61 in colorado after 20 years....

 

[Cedarsavage]

It is a bit ironic, agreed.

I thought it's just gonna make it worse. I was planning on drawing with four, wonder if that'll happen now.

 

[Flyjunky]

Randy Newberg’s recent video titled “burn your points” just struck me as being incredibly ironic. Here we have an influential hunting figure who’s main gig is to show thousands of people how to do a diy western hunt. He talks about how demand has gotten so bad that the best strategy is now to scrounge up whatever tag you can get because it ain’t gonna get any better. To top it off the video is sponsored by Gohunt! It’s time to quit funding the people and companies who are destroying western hunting.

It's also a bit ironic to be criticizing "those influencers" while talking hunting on a site like Rokslide...just saying.

We also have to remember that because of the promotion of western hunting many of the things we enjoy today, product wise, most likely wouldn't be available. Without the huge rise in demand and the money people are willing to spend high end rifles, scopes, clothing, etc wouldn't be near what we have access to right now.

It's a double edged sword and we can either accept the fact that it isn't going back to the good ol' days or we can find another hobby.

 

[Flyjunky]

Hard to take him serious when his kid had max points going into wyo a few years ago and he hunted 61 in colorado after 20 years....

If I understood correctly he's saying that because of the changes you should be burning them now. How does "max points" a few years ago factor into it....if you have max points you should burn them and by hunting 61 he burned his points as well, just like he is saying.

 

[Will_m]

It's also a bit ironic to be criticizing "those influencers" while talking hunting on a site like Rokslide...just saying.

We also have to remember that because of the promotion of western hunting many of the things we enjoy today, product wise, most likely wouldn't be available. Without the huge rise in demand and the money people are willing to spend high end rifles, scopes, clothing, etc wouldn't be near what we have access to right now.

It's a double edged sword and we can either accept the fact that it isn't going back to the good ol' days or we can find another hobby.

No, it's not ironic. The vast majority of people here are not promoting hunting for the sake of monetary benefit. The forum itself does, but more so indirectly, and to an extent that will always be present, but there is a sliding scale.

You have no way to make your second statement with any confidence. It is just as likely that we would be in the same or better position without the massive push for profitization of all things hunting that we are currently experiencing. He, as a means for income, promoted western hunting and exploited the resource for his own benefit. The fact that a secondary effect of it may have had a positive impact was not his determinative factor in pursuing his social media presence, that I assure you. Now we are all reaping what he--and others like him--sowed.

Your statement is pure speculation and more than likely a justification for what many think is a positive: let's get more people into hunting to protect hunting.

Now that, my friend, is ironic.

 

[backcountry_hunter]

I guess my point was the irony that people are finding is that now that he's done hoarding points to hunt a sought after/high point unit the current tune is burn whatever points you have as fast as you can when the only real changes so far is the special is going up in price?

There will always be high point units. And somebody will draw those, and if you want to to be that someone you'll need the points to do it. Which you'll never get if you burn them as soon as you can get any tag.....

 

[southLA]

It's also a bit ironic to be criticizing "those influencers" while talking hunting on a site like Rokslide...just saying.

We also have to remember that because of the promotion of western hunting many of the things we enjoy today, product wise, most likely wouldn't be available. Without the huge rise in demand and the money people are willing to spend high end rifles, scopes, clothing, etc wouldn't be near what we have access to right now.

It's a double edged sword and we can either accept the fact that it isn't going back to the good ol' days or we can find another hobby.

Man, I wish each of my posts on here were monetized. Robby!?

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Thank you for the response and for what it's worth I completely agree with almost everything you said. I am one of those guys that believe social media has had a negative effect on hunting. I think overall the hunting community would all be in a much better place if they did what you did and put down the camera and get back to your roots of hunting for the right reasons and not for clout on social media. I also believe that YouTube is a CATCH22 for a lot of guys with similar viewpoints as me because a lot of us will consume content from time to time but from doing that we are enabling the people we disagree with.

Not just hunting, social media has had a negative effect on life itself in every aspect. Politics, general behavior, lack of drive, lack of a real social circle, less family bonds, you name it.

 

[Flyjunky]

No, it's not ironic. The vast majority of people here are not promoting hunting for the sake of monetary benefit. The forum itself does, but more so indirectly, and to an extent that will always be present, but there is a sliding scale.

You have no way to make your second statement with any confidence. It is just as likely that we would be in the same or better position without the massive push for profitization of all things hunting that we are currently experiencing. He, as a means for income, promoted western hunting and exploited the resource for his own benefit. The fact that a secondary effect of it may have had a positive impact was not his determinative factor in pursuing his social media presence, that I assure you. Now we are all reaping what he--and others like him--sowed.

Your statement is pure speculation and more than likely a justification for what many think is a positive: let's get more people into hunting to protect hunting.

Now that, my friend, is ironic.

I'm not talking about only the monetary benefit, simply the excess information out there for people is making hunting in the west easier and easier. This site alone has enough info for anyone who has never seen a hunting video to make it possible to go out west with all the info they will ever need.

It's simple economics, if hunting wasn't so popular, and the willingness of people to spend countless dollars on stuff they truly don't need, do you honestly think companies would be investing as much as they do now?

Btw, I don't think any of this is a positive. I would rather go into the woods like it was 35 years ago but that ain't gonna happen.

 

[fngTony]

Some comments are borderline putting words into other people’s mouths. Speculation is often best kept to ourselves unless there’s something to back it up, otherwise it just becomes rumors.