The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[Yoder]

A huge thankyou to @Beagle1 for taking the time to eloquently push back in this thread.

Keep up the good fight!

It's kind of ironic that the "good fight" is trying to turn people away from God. I'm not saying it to be angry, it actually thought it was pretty funny.

 

[go_deep]

I will, but I need time to digest @go_deep's insightful reply in post #790.

Bear with me as I'm sure I'll need a couple days as there is lots to unpack there.


Eddie

Taken a back that it's that simple?

 

[Beagle1]

No that's not correct. Those people all died for a belief not a lie. They believed a lie, they didn't know the actual truth firsthand. The Apostles would have known if Jesus was just removed from the tomb and buried somewhere. They went from denying him to dying for him after they saw him risen with their own eyes. If they knew the whole thing was nonsense do you think they would have suffered and died horrific deaths without ever denying him again?

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

 

[Shortschaf]

I will, but I need time to digest @go_deep's insightful reply in post #790.

Bear with me as I'm sure I'll need a couple days as there is lots to unpack there.

I think you asked if he would randomly take in a stranger in need at 10pm, and he answered "sure"

It was a one-word-answer type of question you asked

 

[eddielasvegas]

My apologies @Shortschaf and @go_deep.

Since my question was not segregated from my post, I misinterpreted his reply to be in reply to my entire post, along the lines of "ok, boomer."

You both are better men than me as I doubt I'd open the door for anybody at that hour as the risk is too great for my family, but it's a hard pass for a person looking like that. Yepper, I judged a book by its cover.


Eddie

 

[Mtnmilsurp]

[QUOTE="Kenn, post:
Edit: I don't necessarily believe in a big bang either. Although I've read the theory on it, it's way over my head and it is exactly that - a theory.[/QUOTE]

Don’t assume that something is over your head because you don’t understand it. It might just not make sense because it doesn’t make sense. There’s nothing more complicated about the Big Bang theory than this: there was absolutely nothing in existence and it all exploded and the explosion created time, space, and matter. If that doesn’t make sense to you then you might just be the guy who realizes the emperor has no clothes.

 

[Yoder]

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

Did you even read what I said? The Apostles weren't told a lie. They saw it with their own eyes. They saw Jesus in the flesh after he was dead three days. Nobody lied to them. They KNEW what happened, nobody told them anything. They were there. They would have known if Jesus just died and that was the end of it. Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be brutalized, tortured and killed over something that they absolutely knew was false? Muslims today have never met Mohammed. They have the belief his teachings were true. They don't know, just like me. I believe, I wasn't physically there when Jesus was crucified but the Apostles were. Do you understand the difference? How can I explain this any better?

 

[Yoder]

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

Here's another angle. The big bang theory. There's a difference between hearing about the big bang theory and actually being there to witness it happening and reporting to the world what you saw. One person has a belief, the other person is an eye witness to the event. That's the difference between the Apostles and all the people you mentioned.

 

[Yoder]

Even AI believes there is a creator and evolution and abiogenisis(life creating itself) are not statistically possible. This video is really interesting.