the best 243 win bullet

so i am wanting to know the best 243 win ammo for deer hunting i shot 2 deer at about 100 each with the horandy superformance 95 grain sst and first deer no blood second deer three drops and no more. i shot some remington corelokt 80 grain and they didnt group good so i am gonna try some fedral powershock 100 grain but i want to know the best bullet for blood on deer 100 hundred yard shot i can not have them run no more than 250 yards. also do you think a 300 weatherby mag is too much for deer with a 180 grain accubond because i asked in a diffrent thread the best bullet out of that 180 grn to 200 grn projectoille range and people was like why do you need such a big gun on deer at 100-150 yards and i explained to them about the 243 and what happend to me and my bad experince. also i kinda think its personell perfernce because my brother shot a deer with a 30-30 and it wasted more meat with a 150 grain bullet than my 300 weatherby wit a 180 gr accubond.
I'm not reading what the others have said. If you insist on sticking with the .243 get ready for more heartache as you learn its limitations. Try Barnes TSX, Partitions, or Accubonds in their heaviest offerings. Stay away from everything else. Stick to shoulder shots because you likely will never get an exit unless you are shooting little hillcountry of TX deer. You need to drop them. With those bullets you will at least have a chance at getting an exit wound. I have never seen a 243 exit on any deer approaching 200# It is a varmint cartridge after all. It was invented for incidental take of deer, not targeted take of deer. There are a hundred better cartridge options for deer. Hell, even the 6.5 CM is better. With the right bullets of course. Ditch the .243 for something else like a 708, 308, 260, 350 legend, 30-30 if you are recoil shy. Jump to 270, 280, 7 mag, 30-06 if you want the ideal. If you want a hammer and even less potential meat loss then go 35 Whelen, 358 Win, 338 Federal. In all cases stick to bonded or all copper projectiles. They offer near zero failure rates and less meat loss no matter if the deer is in bow range or 300 yards away.

Meat loss is a function of speed, bullet construction, and target makeup. If you hit one in the shoulder with any bullet that likes to fragment you are likely destroying all the meat no matter what cartridge you choose. Your brother likely didn't encounter heavy bone or else it would have been ugly. .30 caliber magnum cartridges are famous for destruction at closer ranges, especially the Weatherby. If you want big power and little meat loss jump to .33 cal and up cartridges. Typically, these larger diameter bullets have a heavier construction. They don't create as much meat loss on shoulder shots because they dump less energy into the target. The bullet just keeps on trucking. I hunted with a guy that got a 338 Lapua because he thought the deer would explode I guess, lol. "I don't want them to run off anymore" was what he told me. Well, they ran off more with the 338 Lap than with his 7 mag. He was a "behind the shoulder" guy. The thin hide and ribs on his whitetail were not enough to get his 250 grain bonded bullets to expand. It still ran almost 100 yards. The look on his face was priceless. Now, had it he shot one square in the shoulder, I don't know what would have happened. It sure would have been interesting to see though. We had a 280 Remington and 7mag on the same trip. 7 mag deer was over 200#, Barnes 150gr TTSX, 150 yards away, impact was top of the heart, no heavy bone contacted, the deer was dead before it hit the ground, almost zero meat loss. I was the 280 Rem guy. I killed 3 on that trip with 140gr Barnes TTSX bullets. (6 deer on the year, one was with a bow) The first was a 240ish # buck, 250 yards away. I hit him a little high and back from my top of the heart point of aim. He still dropped and only kicked enough to turn himself 180 degrees. Zero meat loss on that deer. Upon inspection the bullet passed close enough to the spine to sever it with out hitting the bone. Next deer was a doe 150 away. Top of the heart bang flop near zero meat loss. 3rd deer was a doe, 150 yards same aim point however one leg forward and she was quartered more than I realized. She ran about 40 with a broken offside shoulder. We lost some of the off side leg but not all of it. No bullets recovered because they worked properly.

I have killed a little over 150 deer in the last 33 years and spent several years guiding. Most people on don't get to kill that many or see that many get shot. I hate the 243 with a passion. Dump it, trade it, get rid of it. I have seen more disappointment with that cartridge than any other. It is not a deer gun for a novice. You have to know exactly what you are doing with it. The only good thing about the 6.5 CM is that it is displacing the 243. The bad thing about the 6.5CM is that ELDX bullet the bullets most chose for it. Again, should you get a creedmore, shoot nosler partitions, anything bonded, or Barnes. The only 6.5 CM shot deer I have been around was a nice 10pt a lady shot with Federal Terminal Ascent bullets. It did a great job putting the deer down and exiting. Her previous 3 had to be tracked with a dog because she was shooting ELDX. Her husband tried to shoot ELDX out of his 264 Win Mag and he needed a dog on one. Yet, people will sing that trash's virtues. I just don't get it.
 
Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I have a question for folks who like the 85g HPBT gameking...I was expecting or hoping for a pass-thru and blood, but got neither on a young whitetail spike this weekend. These are about 3000fps w/RL19 from a 16" Rem Mohawk. We are in east tx and the brush is thick, we finally recovered him after about 45 min of stumbling/crawling around in the dark. He only went about 50yd, but no blood trail. Small entry just behind scapula, chest cavity pretty much soup, and the far inside ribs completly undamaged. Is that typical performance or just a random hit on a rib maybe? Would a 100g TGK or TMK give me more reliable penetration? I like everything the bullet did except for no exit. Do I need to slow it down? Thanks, c
Everything I've seen on here shows that if you're using smaller caliber, you want more explosive with sufficient penetration to hit vitals and to not worry about getting exits. If you really want exits, I'd go larger caliber and tougher bullet.

For 6mm in that weight range, I'd use a 95tmk. I use 108eldm. I've only shot one elk with it and got no exit, but it does within 35-40 yards
 
I have never seen a 243 exit on any deer approaching 200# It is a varmint cartridge after all. It was invented for incidental take of deer, not targeted take of deer. There are a hundred better cartridge options for deer. Hell, even the 6.5 CM is better. With the right bullets of course. Ditch the .243 for something else like a 708, 308, 260, 350 legend, 30-30 if you are recoil shy.

I hate the 243 with a passion. Dump it, trade it, get rid of it.
Subjectively, my experiences have been radically different with the .243, but I have heard a lot of guides cuss the cartridge for lost game. I think this is due to poor shot placement from inexperienced hunters, but that's just me. I've seen maybe 15 big game killed with a .243 (pigs, deer, antelope) and each kill was extremely quick, but we were using soft bullets that violently upset like 85-grain Sierra HPBT and 95-grain Remington AccuTip.

Objectively speaking, the .243 Win. is a magnum 6mm. Compared to the .350 Legend mentioned above, it's superior in every way but recoil and noise. For any new hunter reading this, never assume that an increase in bore diameter will increase lethality. It doesn't work that way.

Pick the right bullet, put it in the right spot at the right velocity, and it will kill whatever you need it to. Next week, I'm going elk hunting with a 6mm that makes the .243 look like a Howitzer, but I know ballistics and how to shoot, so I have zero concern of using the 6mm ARC on elk out to 400 yards.
 
A 95-grain ballistic tip is great on whitetails, but I have never had a problem putting them down right there with 100-grain Hornady Whitetail. The .243 is a superb cartridge and there is nothing marginal about it that it requires a particular bullet (At typical hunting ranges - under 300-yards.). Barring a tiny little varmint bullet or a FMJ, I have a hard time thinking of any .243 caliber bullet between 85- and 117-grains (with appropriate twist rate) that won’t cleanly kill a whitetail. And even the varmint bullets, put low and right behind the shoulder crease, will take out the lungs and/or heart.
 
I have never seen a 243 exit on any deer approaching 200# It is a varmint cartridge after all. It was invented for incidental take of deer, not targeted take of deer. There are a hundred better cartridge options for deer.
Wow… Guess my deer that I’ve shot with 6cm and 105gr bthp were just a fluke. 230 to 240lb deer on the hoof…
 

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have you had one run with that load. i have heard that copper bullets arent that good without magnum velocity if you dont drop them dead in there tracks.
FWIW .243 at 100yds is essentially magnum velocity.... You're talking like 3000-3100fps impact velocity at that range.
 
I'm not reading what the others have said. If you insist on sticking with the .243 get ready for more heartache as you learn its limitations. Try Barnes TSX, Partitions, or Accubonds in their heaviest offerings. Stay away from everything else. Stick to shoulder shots because you likely will never get an exit unless you are shooting little hillcountry of TX deer. You need to drop them. With those bullets you will at least have a chance at getting an exit wound. I have never seen a 243 exit on any deer approaching 200# It is a varmint cartridge after all. It was invented for incidental take of deer, not targeted take of deer. There are a hundred better cartridge options for deer. Hell, even the 6.5 CM is better. With the right bullets of course. Ditch the .243 for something else like a 708, 308, 260, 350 legend, 30-30 if you are recoil shy. Jump to 270, 280, 7 mag, 30-06 if you want the ideal. If you want a hammer and even less potential meat loss then go 35 Whelen, 358 Win, 338 Federal. In all cases stick to bonded or all copper projectiles. They offer near zero failure rates and less meat loss no matter if the deer is in bow range or 300 yards away.

Meat loss is a function of speed, bullet construction, and target makeup. If you hit one in the shoulder with any bullet that likes to fragment you are likely destroying all the meat no matter what cartridge you choose. Your brother likely didn't encounter heavy bone or else it would have been ugly. .30 caliber magnum cartridges are famous for destruction at closer ranges, especially the Weatherby. If you want big power and little meat loss jump to .33 cal and up cartridges. Typically, these larger diameter bullets have a heavier construction. They don't create as much meat loss on shoulder shots because they dump less energy into the target. The bullet just keeps on trucking. I hunted with a guy that got a 338 Lapua because he thought the deer would explode I guess, lol. "I don't want them to run off anymore" was what he told me. Well, they ran off more with the 338 Lap than with his 7 mag. He was a "behind the shoulder" guy. The thin hide and ribs on his whitetail were not enough to get his 250 grain bonded bullets to expand. It still ran almost 100 yards. The look on his face was priceless. Now, had it he shot one square in the shoulder, I don't know what would have happened. It sure would have been interesting to see though. We had a 280 Remington and 7mag on the same trip. 7 mag deer was over 200#, Barnes 150gr TTSX, 150 yards away, impact was top of the heart, no heavy bone contacted, the deer was dead before it hit the ground, almost zero meat loss. I was the 280 Rem guy. I killed 3 on that trip with 140gr Barnes TTSX bullets. (6 deer on the year, one was with a bow) The first was a 240ish # buck, 250 yards away. I hit him a little high and back from my top of the heart point of aim. He still dropped and only kicked enough to turn himself 180 degrees. Zero meat loss on that deer. Upon inspection the bullet passed close enough to the spine to sever it with out hitting the bone. Next deer was a doe 150 away. Top of the heart bang flop near zero meat loss. 3rd deer was a doe, 150 yards same aim point however one leg forward and she was quartered more than I realized. She ran about 40 with a broken offside shoulder. We lost some of the off side leg but not all of it. No bullets recovered because they worked properly.

I have killed a little over 150 deer in the last 33 years and spent several years guiding. Most people on don't get to kill that many or see that many get shot. I hate the 243 with a passion. Dump it, trade it, get rid of it. I have seen more disappointment with that cartridge than any other. It is not a deer gun for a novice. You have to know exactly what you are doing with it. The only good thing about the 6.5 CM is that it is displacing the 243. The bad thing about the 6.5CM is that ELDX bullet the bullets most chose for it. Again, should you get a creedmore, shoot nosler partitions, anything bonded, or Barnes. The only 6.5 CM shot deer I have been around was a nice 10pt a lady shot with Federal Terminal Ascent bullets. It did a great job putting the deer down and exiting. Her previous 3 had to be tracked with a dog because she was shooting ELDX. Her husband tried to shoot ELDX out of his 264 Win Mag and he needed a dog on one. Yet, people will sing that trash's virtues. I just don't get it.
Never had a 95g partition not exit
 
Well my experience with the 85 gr HPBT has been outstanding. Most were bang flops and only some ever ran due to a bad shot on my end. All deer were recovered and I have no problem using it. I also like the 95gr Ballistic tips. If you cannot kill a white tail with a 243 maybe you should try another sport. I have seen more deer lost due to piss poor shooting of the 30-06 than I have from the 243. Just my 2 cents.
 
Interesting read as all 3 of my boys came up using a .243 with a 95 gr SST. That is all we shoot out of it and they have killed a ton of deer over the years with 99% of them dropping where they stood. One shot through both lungs ran about 30 yards. Never had to track any. I can also confirm the SST will blow the snot out of a prairie dog as well.
 
Interesting read as all 3 of my boys came up using a .243 with a 95 gr SST. That is all we shoot out of it and they have killed a ton of deer over the years with 99% of them dropping where they stood. One shot through both lungs ran about 30 yards. Never had to track any. I can also confirm the SST will blow the snot out of a prairie dog as well.
Took me decades to convince my son to move from 243 to 308, even though I had 2500 rounds of 308, a carbon stocked x-bolt and Leica scope for his use. He dropped over 300 whitetail with 100 gr Hornady. I don't think he ever lost one, but he shoots a helluva lot better than me. He's popped over 30 with the 308 with the combined movement being about 60 yards. Good shots mean more than caliber of rifles.
 
I enjoy this thread because it shows the breadth of opinions on the often-maligned .243 Winchester. Most love it, others hate it, and a few are indifferent, likely because they've never used it. Over the years, I can't recall another cartridge that has received as much hate as the .243, which has always puzzled me. In my experience of using and/or seeing big game shot with dozens of cartridges, I'd put the .243 up against virtually anything when it comes to quick kills.
 
I should have known better than to resurrect an old thread. If anyone happens to use the 85g sierra HPBT gamekings can say whether they normally get pass throughs on whitetails with that bullet, or normally not, that would be great.
 
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