The Argali Clothing Project

[Jaden Bales]

Haha I hear ya. But in which layer? Your base, mid, active or outer shell

All mine have these chest pocket lol so stuff is just buried.

Great point! Whichever one is on the outside. My girlfriend always loves finding the unused ones in the dryer.

 

[Jaden Bales]

Did “double belting” bother you? Just curious…if not, why not add the feature for those of us who like it? If it doesn’t get in the way of a belt like the Argali or Masupial (the two best on the market IMO), then everybody wins right?

I have an old pair of Mammut Courmayeur pants that have the best lower leg design I’ve ever seen. They’ve completely redesigned that pant, so I’ll have to send some photos of it when I get home. There’s a section of elastic band sewn into the heel half of the leg opening. It’s got some grippy silicone/rubber type stuff on the inside, to help it grab onto the boot. Then there’s a tension adjustment strap on the side, allowing for some customization of the leg opening size. It’s also got the lace hook on the front. Those things stay down.


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Oh yeah. It's not comfortable right below the belly button to double belt. Lol. The SGs have fallen to the back of the closet as a result. The Gammas don't have belt loops. But I hear ya, if there's a good way to do it low profile, I don't hate the idea.

 

[LongWayAround]

@Jake Larsen

I'm totally with you on the built-in belt. I'm leaving for a ten day trip right now and taking my OR cirque lite pants mostly because of the belt and minimal pockets. Two hip pocket and one small thigh pocket, all zippered.

 

[BRTreedogs]

So this darn chest pocket just surfaced for me this week.
First time I’ve archery hunted in a couple years. And I believe I’ve switched from fl wilkin to the kuiu 145 zip hoodie in that time.
Because the fl shirts were belly dancer short on me.

Well guess what, the dang zipper pull on the worthless chest pocket, the buckle on my marsupial bino harness clicks together.

So I may be in the market for another lightweight merino top search, without a pocket.

 

[Neverenoughhntn]

Chest pockets: while I mostly agree that not every piece of clothing needs them, ideally I would like to see them on a mid layer piece (actually 2 chest pockets… I know, I’m the odd man out on this). I’ve been in a few situations on late season hunts etc., where I’ve had to spend the night away from camp with just my puffys, and the chest pockets were a life saver to put a hand warmer in from my emergency stash to get me through the night when temps were in the teens.

Hip vents: prefer some kind of mesh/backing to keep seeds out from maturing vegetation when hunting the high country in September…. Also, gladly take the weight penalty to add crotch vents as well! Inner + outer vents are a winner for me!

Built in belt: some form of built in waist adjustment designed for backpacking use is ideal. Could even be velcro adjustment to mitigate any buckles. 1-1.5” worth of adjustment would probably suffice. Again, odd man out here, but with a 28/29” waist and most pant waist sizes starting at 30”, I generally have to have some sort of belt. Unfortunately, even the marsupial belt is pretty brutal under the hip belt if I’m packing any weight. (Not a knock on the marsupial belt in anyway).

 

[bergie]

This is a low on my list item, but if you have two materials that perform the same for pants take a handful of cockleburrs and throw on both. Pick the one that they stick to less. If you need some PM me and I can get you as many as you can ever need when I'm out tomorrow.

 

[MeatInTheFreezer]

Can't wait to see this line and how Argali executes this based on all the feedback you have gotten. I only wear hunting pants with removable knee pads. You kneel way more than you think and I just love knee pads. I never take them out.

 

[Jaden Bales]

Temps finally fell enough to rock the Torex pant in the high country. I usually run hot, so it took 30s at night, with highs in the 50s for me to grab these. They're not insulated but they're a great all-around October pant in my mind.

The pockets are deeeep, which I really liked. No fear of losing things from them. These specifically are baggier than the Vespers and I wasn't a big fan of that. But! In talking with Brad, that sounds like it was a mistake on the sample run, not how they'll end up with their production.

Another great showing on this Argali gear in some wildly changing conditions. And shot my best buck yet while wearing them, so seems like they've got a little luck woven into 'em.

 

[mtwarden]

^ Dandy buck—congrats!

I've been racking up the miles on the Vespers (~200 miles). Hasn't been cold enough yet for the Torex pants.

So far, so good and are Tiny Elvis approved!

 

[lintond]

Temps finally fell enough to rock the Torex pant in the high country. I usually run hot, so it took 30s at night, with highs in the 50s for me to grab these. They're not insulated but they're a great all-around October pant in my mind.

The pockets are deeeep, which I really liked. No fear of losing things from them. These specifically are baggier than the Vespers and I wasn't a big fan of that. But! In talking with Brad, that sounds like it was a mistake on the sample run, not how they'll end up with their production.

Another great showing on this Argali gear in some wildly changing conditions. And shot my best buck yet while wearing them, so seems like they've got a little luck woven into 'em.

Heck with the pants I’m just staring at that dandy buck!


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[Moosehunter]

I wish I could get my hands on the torex for November mule deer this year.
Might be something I'll have to try when they come available!
Really looking forward to seeing the finished products. I'm in the simple is better camp.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I wish I could get my hands on the torex for November mule deer this year.
Might be something I'll have to try when they come available!
Really looking forward to seeing the finished products. I'm in the simple is better camp.

Next Year!

 

[4th_point]

Brad,

Congrats on the project and thanks for sharing here.

Kutana are my favorite pants for hunting and casual use. If you made something similar, for similar price, I would try them. Definitely keep the side vents, please.

One of the biggest issues I have had with all pants is the butt! When glassing, I just sit on any rock nearby and never realized how abrasive it can be. Maybe I sit on my butt too much? How will your pants hold up to rock abrasion?

Kutana fit/cut are super comfortable to me and I'm not necessarily athletic build. Stretch is nice but I did blow out the crotch once squatting down. Warranty claim was handled quickly and I'd imagine Argali would be the same?

What else - the Kutana have been pretty durable. But I hunt the wetside as well as the dry side of OR, and the devil's club and stickers/prickers make a mess of the material quickly. How will your pants hold up to those dang prickles?

 

[Brad@Argali]

Congrats on the project and thanks for sharing here.

Kutana are my favorite pants for hunting and casual use. If you made something similar, for similar price, I would try them. Definitely keep the side vents, please.

One of the biggest issues I have had with all pants is the butt! When glassing, I just sit on any rock nearby and never realized how abrasive it can be. Maybe I sit on my butt too much? How will your pants hold up to rock abrasion?

Kutana fit/cut are super comfortable to me and I'm not necessarily athletic build. Stretch is nice but I did blow out the crotch once squatting down. Warranty claim was handled quickly and I'd imagine Argali would be the same?

What else - the Kutana have been pretty durable. But I hunt the wetside as well as the dry side of OR, and the devil's club and stickers/prickers make a mess of the material quickly. How will your pants hold up to those dang prickles?

Side vents are key and will be staying.

So far both the Vesper (closest to the Kutanas) have been fantastic on abrasion. I've used them a lot hunting, scouting, sitting in rocky terrain over the past year and no issues.

Customer service has always been paramount for us. We plan to continue that. I can't answer warranty questions in the abstract, but we stand behind our products and make reasonable attempts to warranty manufacturer defects.

Re: western OR, have not tested there yet so not sure. But I just got back from a 12 day moose hunt in western AK with lots of brushy walking with the Torex and they did great, and we have tested the Vesper in a number of states and locations including southeast AK and AZ which are notoriously brushy. Jaden, one of the Rokslide testers, put a small hole through his Vesper Pants in AK as he posted above, but that was the result of falling down and catching a snag of a branch on a log. They are tough, but not impervious to all wear and tear. So far out of all of our testers, that is the only tear we've had, which is saying something because we have a few guides who have been running them all of September with no issues.

 

[wysongdog]

Will they be quiet enough for bow hunting mule deer?

 

[Brad@Argali]

Will they be quiet enough for bow hunting mule deer?

Absolutely. Quiet has been one of my primary focuses. Both pants are quiet. I used the Vesper on an NV archery mule deer hunt this year and they were great.

 

[fngTony]

Sorry if this has been discussed, is rain gear something that you are developing?

 

[Brad@Argali]

Sorry if this has been discussed, is rain gear something that you are developing?

I don't think it has been discussed. Yes. But it's a little ways out. Have a lot of other products in the works before we get to rain gear.

 

[4th_point]

Side vents are key and will be staying.

So far both the Vesper (closest to the Kutanas) have been fantastic on abrasion. I've used them a lot hunting, scouting, sitting in rocky terrain over the past year and no issues.

Customer service has always been paramount for us. We plan to continue that. I can't answer warranty questions in the abstract, but we stand behind our products and make reasonable attempts to warranty manufacturer defects.

Re: western OR, have not tested there yet so not sure. But I just got back from a 12 day moose hunt in western AK with lots of brushy walking with the Torex and they did great, and we have tested the Vesper in a number of states and locations including southeast AK and AZ which are notoriously brushy. Jaden, one of the Rokslide testers, put a small hole through his Vesper Pants in AK as he posted above, but that was the result of falling down and catching a snag of a branch on a log. They are tough, but not impervious to all wear and tear. So far out of all of our testers, that is the only tear we've had, which is saying something because we have a few guides who have been running them all of September with no issues.

Brad,

Thanks for the detailed reply. I look forward to trying the Vesper. I don't expect them to be bombproof as that would negatively affect something else, but I appreciate your honesty with the wear & tear in the brush.

Jason