The 22 creedmoor thread

[Pickettpuncher]

Stellar.
Do you mind sharing bullet specifics?

80gr eldm, alpha srp brass. Cci450. H4350

 

[Clukless]

I’ve seen the same with the arc and creed although I still run both

Both 18” bolt guns on tikka actions with bullets from the same lot.

22ARC 80eldm 31gr cfe223
3090fps
22creed 80eldm 48gr RS Grand
3290fps

The creed uses 17gr more powder and gives an extra 200fps in shorter barrels

If you only had to pick one, which one would you go with?

 

[ACHILLES]

If you only had to pick one, which one would you go with?

In short the arc, very low recoil, quiet suppressed, long bbl life, good reasonably priced factory ammo if you want to go that route plus you can reload the brass afterwards. Hand loaded 80eldms at 3090fps doesn’t hit 1800fps until 855yds at 3500DA. 62eld vts run 3520fps with book max load out of an 18” Bbl with cfe223.

But if you have a 22creed that’s just going to be a hunting rifle with low round count or you don’t care about bbl life then the 22creed is awesome and flat shooting.

Then there’s option 3 get a 22creed hunting rifle and a 223Rem/22ARC trainer.

 

[nm.otter]

And between them lies .22 GT.

 

[ACHILLES]

And between them lies .22 GT.

The true do it all 22cartridge! Another fine option for reloaders

 

[nm.otter]

More gas than the ARC, less barrel wear than the Creedmoor. Barrel life should be similar to that of 6mm Creedmoor.

 

[Clukless]

In short the arc, very low recoil, quiet suppressed, long bbl life, good reasonably priced factory ammo if you want to go that route plus you can reload the brass afterwards. Hand loaded 80eldms at 3090fps doesn’t hit 1800fps until 855yds at 3500DA. 62eld vts run 3520fps with book max load out of an 18” Bbl with cfe223.

But if you have a 22creed that’s just going to be a hunting rifle with low round count or you don’t care about bbl life then the 22creed is awesome and flat shooting.

Then there’s option 3 get a 22creed hunting rifle and a 223Rem/22ARC trainer.

Thanks! I’ve got .223 AR that’s I’ve been using. Just wanting to get a bolt gun with a bit more range as the AR only has a 13.7” barrel.

 

[TimberHunter]

That’s not exactly the case. Take a 80 ELD-X at 3170, as from my 18” bbl, and it outperforms the 112 MB at 2900 even at 900 yards.

5,000 DA
900 yards
10mph 90 degree wind

80 ELD-X: 5.4 mil, 1800 fps, 1.3 mil wind

112 MB: 6.0 mil, 1764 fps, 1.2 mil wind

Clarification question… when I run the numbers at 900 yards, 5000 DA im seeing these wind drifts with 10mph at 90*

112 match MV 2900 = 1.07 mils
80 ELDX MV 3200. Wind = 1.33 mils

Approx 8.5” additional of wind. I understand I nor most couldn’t actually tell the difference in field but just curious why I’m coming up with a larger difference between the two than you are. I’m considering 6cm or 22cm as my next rifle

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Clarification question… when I run the numbers at 900 yards, 5000 DA im seeing these wind drifts with 10mph at 90*

112 match MV 2900 = 1.07 mils
80 ELDX MV 3200. Wind = 1.33 mils

Approx 8.5” additional of wind. I understand I nor most couldn’t actually tell the difference in field but just curious why I’m coming up with a larger difference between the two than you are. I’m considering 6cm or 22cm as my next rifle

Yeah I F’d up on that calculation. I apologize to @Bluumoon
You’re right, the 112 does actually outperform the 80 when those numbers are input.

As an update, I’m going back to the 6 CM and the 112’s or 117 TMK’s this coming year. 22 Cm was just too finicky with the Hornady 80 & 88 options. Maybe the new TMK 88 will be the answer.

However with the great options in 6mm that are easy to load for and high B.C.’s, I’m back to where I was last year. Will have a 16” 6 CM on a UM Corax build.

 

[Castle Rock]

And between them lies .22 GT.

My next rifle will be a 22BR, I bought all the gear to build a 22ARC then sold it when I lucked onto a good deal on Lapua BR brass

 

[hereinaz]

My next rifle will be a 22BR, I bought all the gear to build a 22ARC then sold it when I lucked onto a good deal on Lapua BR brass

I love my Howa Mini in 22 br, just have to open the bolt face.

My 22 creeds are fun to shoot as well. For science, I have 14”, 16”, 18” and 20” barrels. I haven’t shot mine much beyond breaking them in. This spring they should get shot a bunch.

I intend to send a new barrel to nitride and see what barrel life looks like. Anyone else nitrided a barrel?

But been able to shoot a lot of barrels to test for customers in 22 and 6 creed. Overall, the 22 creed is the easiest to shoot on the bench and in the field. It is a function of recoil, which I am seeing in the volume and back to back even. I am shooting the barrels in the same system, Tikka in a KRG chassis or a factory Tikka stock.

The 6 creed is still very easy to shoot as well, but in the marginal positions I like the 22 creed. Of course the 22 BR and the .223 are just that much easier.

That’s why I am sticking with 22 creed for hunting over 6 creed. If the BC is not enough for my purpose then I will go 6 PRC for the extended range and reduced wind deflection.

I can see why the 6 creed is a sweet spot for the one gun.

 

[TradLife406]

I love my Howa Mini in 22 br, just have to open the bolt face.

My 22 creeds are fun to shoot as well. For science, I have 14”, 16”, 18” and 20” barrels. I haven’t shot mine much beyond breaking them in. This spring they should get shot a bunch.

I intend to send a new barrel to nitride and see what barrel life looks like. Anyone else nitrided a barrel?

But been able to shoot a lot of barrels to test for customers in 22 and 6 creed. Overall, the 22 creed is the easiest to shoot on the bench and in the field. It is a function of recoil, which I am seeing in the volume and back to back even. I am shooting the barrels in the same system, Tikka in a KRG chassis or a factory Tikka stock.

The 6 creed is still very easy to shoot as well, but in the marginal positions I like the 22 creed. Of course the 22 BR and the .223 are just that much easier.

That’s why I am sticking with 22 creed for hunting over 6 creed. If the BC is not enough for my purpose then I will go 6 PRC for the extended range and reduced wind deflection.

I can see why the 6 creed is a sweet spot for the one gun.

That was my conclusion when trying to decide between the 6 and the 22. Montana doesn't have any requirements for caliber. South Dakota doesn't either I believe. Only states I plan to hunt.

My girls definitely enjoyed hunting with the 22 creed. In a 9.5lb gun it's like shooting a 223.

 

[Nine Banger]

I intend to send a new barrel to nitride and see what barrel life looks like. Anyone else nitrided a barrel?

I have.

Got a 22 creed done last year to be matchy-matchy on a "one gun" package for nitride treatment. The barrel is about half done on life.

We also sent in a bunch of stuff a couple months ago and I put a pre-fit and 2 factory barrels (one blue, one stainless) in the batch. Pre-fit is 6 creed, just started shooting it. Then there's a factory 223 barrel I cut to 16" and a 22" threaded factory barrel I shoot 300 Fury in.

They don't have enough shots in them to weigh in on barrel life.

They were all new barrels when treated except for the 300 Fury.

 

[Jake Leibke]

18” Bartlein 2B 8.2-7.6” Gain twist with the shank turned down and shortened to mimic a factory t3 sporter
March 1.5x15x42mm MTR 5 SFP
NF med steel rings
Mtn tactical rail
Mc Millian LR tracker
Airlock ZG 6.5
Sterk handle
Factory BM
Uses tikka factory 223rem mag or 8rd mag3D 2.55” 223rem mags. I filed the feed lips open on mags.
Weighs 9.0lbs with an empty mag

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Good looking gun! Thanks!

I was wondering about the mags. Right now I’ve got mine on a bravo stick using the Poly mdt mags. They’re working good but going to be putting it in a different stock for deer hunting next summer.

Have you ever tried the Waters 6br mags in it?


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[TimberHunter]

Yeah I F’d up on that calculation. I apologize to @Bluumoon
You’re right, the 112 does actually outperform the 80 when those numbers are input.

As an update, I’m going back to the 6 CM and the 112’s or 117 TMK’s this coming year. 22 Cm was just too finicky with the Hornady 80 & 88 options. Maybe the new TMK 88 will be the answer.

However with the great options in 6mm that are easy to load for and high B.C.’s, I’m back to where I was last year. Will have a 16” 6 CM on a UM Corax build.

I appreciate the info. When you say 80/88 we’re just to finicky, is that to get them to shoot or on game inconsistencies? I’ve heard that 88 is not easy to get shooting well and BC can be tricky


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[Nine Banger]

I appreciate the info. When you say 80/88 we’re just to finicky, is that to get them to shoot or on game inconsistencies? I’ve heard that 88 is not easy to get shooting well and BC can be tricky


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88 ELD is good if you're satisfied with 2 MOA shooting.

Massive internal damage and no exit for me.

I'm looking forward to getting a box of the new 88 TMK.

 

[The Guide]

88 ELD is good if you're satisfied with 2 MOA shooting.

Massive internal damage and no exit for me.

I'm looking forward to getting a box of the new 88 TMK.

The issue with 88 ELDM accuracy in the 22CM has got to do with the twist and speed that they are being shot at. The 88's are very accurate when shot from the 22 ARC from a 7 twist barrel at around 2800 fps. It seems like if you push the 88 faster or spin it faster with a 22CM the accuracy degrades on some barrels. This is one of the reasons why they don't make a factory 88 ELDM load for the 22CM according to some discussion on the Hornady podcast.

Jay

 

[Nine Banger]

This is one of the reasons why they don't make a factory 88 ELDM load for the 22CM according to some discussion on the Hornady podcast.

Jay

That makes sense.

I figured they tried it and knew that and don't want to hear us complaining about factory ammo.

They should put a note on the bullet blurb tho.

My experience was 1:7 around 3050fps.

 

[waspocrew]

My experience with the 88s in a 1:8 X cal and 1:7.5 Bartlein barrel has been great. No fuss at all. Both rifles shoot them at 3150 ish.

I should try them in my newer 22 Creed with a 1:8 Proof. Maybe I’m the lucky one here.

 

[Grizzle]

I appreciate the info. When you say 80/88 we’re just to finicky, is that to get them to shoot or on game inconsistencies? I’ve heard that 88 is not easy to get shooting well and BC can be tricky


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Seems to be barrel dependant and I'd guess the 88s like being spun fast. My 7 twist has had good accuracy with 88s using 3 different powders. Maybe I got lucky with a good barrel, I doubt the 7 twist hurts and not running them super fast (3075) may help to. I've been good with two different lots of bullets but who knows next batch could be different. I'll be jumping to try the 88tmk as soon as I'm able.