The 22 creedmoor thread

[TradLife406]

I saw an ad a few days ago for 4.5 lbs in Butte for $40/lb. Not sure if it’s still available. Too far of a drive for me, otherwise I’d snatch it up.


I got lucky at Scheels about 6 weeks ago. Asked if they had RL-26 and they came back with 5 lbs.

Shoot I'll have to ask. The great falls store?

 

[waspocrew]

Shoot I'll have to ask. The great falls store?

Billings. Lots of RL-23 sitting on the shelf (which is also a great powder).

 

[TradLife406]

Billings. Lots of RL-23 sitting on the shelf (which is also a great powder).

I just checked that yesterday! Be worth a road trip!

Ha effed up and got a Redding type b, not an S. Whoops.


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[Kaleb]

Had chat gpt run a summary on the go to powder for the 77 tmks mentioned in this thread. Said h4350? But in taking that with a grain of salt. What should I start with?
Still planning on using the 88's but wouldn't mind trying a couple powders with the 77's.


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If you have h4350 it would sure be worth trying. Not exactly the same but I shot it under a 75amax for years in 22-250AI.

 

[TradLife406]

77's and 565.
Must have been on commercial break on that one.
3001 fps. I could probably stomp on the gas a little more too. Especially now that I've got a drop tube.
Zeroed out the 88's and set the zero angle. Going to keep running those for now.
But I can also use this pic to set the zero angle for 77's.


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[The Guide]

I ordered 2 boxes each of 77tmk and 77 LRX loaded ammo from Choice Ammunition to test out in my 22" Ruger American 22CM. I was on the Scheels website today and they had a 22CM 20" Ruger American in the Gray barrel and stock in stock so I ordered one. I'll pick it up on my way home from work this week. As much as I've been shooting the 22" I figured I should pickup a back up gun since it is less than a new barrel would cost!

I'll report back with some data on the 77 LRX loaded ammo and the new 20" Ruger American rifle.

Jay

P.S. @TradLife406 they have a 20" RA in 22CM in stock at the Great Falls Scheels but still no factory ammo in at the store according to the website.

 

[Eo12]

Thank you everyone for your posts. Just ordered a barrel from lswild for the tikka and can’t wait to get the results you are all seeing with this caliber.

 

[TradLife406]

Why is my Hornady die leaving rings and scuffs on my TMKs? Tried both seating stems. Same result just different spots on the bullet. Do I need to buy a different stem?


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[TradLife406]

I ordered 2 boxes each of 77tmk and 77 LRX loaded ammo from Choice Ammunition to test out in my 22" Ruger American 22CM. I was on the Scheels website today and they had a 22CM 20" Ruger American in the Gray barrel and stock in stock so I ordered one. I'll pick it up on my way home from work this week. As much as I've been shooting the 22" I figured I should pickup a back up gun since it is less than a new barrel would cost!

I'll report back with some data on the 77 LRX loaded ammo and the new 20" Ruger American rifle.

Jay

P.S. @TradLife406 they have a 20" RA in 22CM in stock at the Great Falls Scheels but still no factory ammo in at the store according to the website.

Yeah I keep bugging the guys there about getting ammo. Asked the gal at North 40 and she fired off a text then and there to her buyer.


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[satchamo]

I could never get either the 80 and 88 eldms to group in a 22 creed McGowen. I had a 1:8 tikka 22-250 lying around and I switched to it - same deal, the 80s and 88s don’t group for shit over 4350.

I loaded up 77 TMKs in the same brass with h4350 with near the same charge as the 80s/88s and it shoots 5 shots in a ragged hole. I will keep shooting the 77s but I won’t lie - I’m slightly disappointed. I went into this because of the capabilities of the high BC 80/88s and they just don’t shoot. The TMKs just don’t do anything my 243 with 109s won’t do better.

Are there any other higher BC offerings from say Berger or anyone else that will still upset like an eldm or TMK I should be trying? Or is it worth trying a different powder?

 

[Rugger7622]

85.5 Bergers shoot great for me with 6.5 StaBALL and H4350, but group better with StaBALL.

 

[The Guide]

I could never get either the 80 and 88 eldms to group in a 22 creed McGowen. I had a 1:8 tikka 22-250 lying around and I switched to it - same deal, the 80s and 88s don’t group for shit over 4350.

I loaded up 77 TMKs in the same brass with h4350 with near the same charge as the 80s/88s and it shoots 5 shots in a ragged hole. I will keep shooting the 77s but I won’t lie - I’m slightly disappointed. I went into this because of the capabilities of the high BC 80/88s and they just don’t shoot. The TMKs just don’t do anything my 243 with 109s won’t do better.

Are there any other higher BC offerings from say Berger or anyone else that will still upset like an eldm or TMK I should be trying? Or is it worth trying a different powder?

The Berger 80.5 Bore rider is supposed to be the easy button with the 22CM. I have sone ordered and will report when I get them and shoot them.

Jay

 

[willfrye027]

I could never get either the 80 and 88 eldms to group in a 22 creed McGowen. I had a 1:8 tikka 22-250 lying around and I switched to it - same deal, the 80s and 88s don’t group for shit over 4350.

I loaded up 77 TMKs in the same brass with h4350 with near the same charge as the 80s/88s and it shoots 5 shots in a ragged hole. I will keep shooting the 77s but I won’t lie - I’m slightly disappointed. I went into this because of the capabilities of the high BC 80/88s and they just don’t shoot. The TMKs just don’t do anything my 243 with 109s won’t do better.

Are there any other higher BC offerings from say Berger or anyone else that will still upset like an eldm or TMK I should be trying? Or is it worth trying a different powder?

I have not personally used them but Berger’s have been working for a lot of guys out there. In other guns I’ve kept Berger impacts above 2200fps with good results.

what speeds are you getting from the 77s? I am currently shooting 88s, but have run the numbers and for the extra speed you can get from 77s, I don’t see a major/real world difference between the two. A lot of the claimed 88 eldm velcoities are IMO inflated and way over pressure, not to mention potential RPM/blow up issues.

I did go through a couple barrels trying to find one that shoots 88s really well, and now that I have one, I’m not 100% convinced that the juice was worth the squeeze

 

[HGL]

The Berger 80.5 Bore rider is supposed to be the easy button with the 22CM. I have sone ordered and will report when I get them and shoot them.

Jay

They were definitely the easy button in my .223 wylde. It will shoot the 77tmk or 80 ELD under an inch, but the fullbores are a sub .5" load, nothing different. I haven't tried them on game though, so we'll see.

 

[swavescatter]

Just ordered up some 90 VLDs...

Anyone have experience with these on game?

 

[mtnbound]

Worked up to 43gr of N555 and couldn't see or feel any signs of pressure, which shocked me, but with an 80eldx or a 77TMK it averaged over 3200 out of my 18" barrel. I'm going to retest it again tomorrow for verification. If this holds true, then I think I have found my new favorite powder.

 

[satchamo]

I have not personally used them but Berger’s have been working for a lot of guys out there. In other guns I’ve kept Berger impacts above 2200fps with good results.

what speeds are you getting from the 77s? I am currently shooting 88s, but have run the numbers and for the extra speed you can get from 77s, I don’t see a major/real world difference between the two. A lot of the claimed 88 eldm velcoities are IMO inflated and way over pressure, not to mention potential RPM/blow up issues.

I did go through a couple barrels trying to find one that shoots 88s really well, and now that I have one, I’m not 100% convinced that the juice was worth the squeeze

On the TMKs I just ran a 33 gr charge of 4350 and I got 2850. That’s on a brand new tikka 1:8 22-250. I believes it’s 22 in. it’s not broken in yet so I know it’ll speed up. I didn’t see any sign of pressure so I was think I can creep up a bit. But being 22-250 vs 22 creed I’m not gonna get as much out of it.

 

[willfrye027]

On the TMKs I just ran a 33 gr charge of 4350 and I got 2850. That’s on a brand new tikka 1:8 22-250. I believes it’s 22 in. it’s not broken in yet so I know it’ll speed up. I didn’t see any sign of pressure so I was think I can creep up a bit. But being 22-250 vs 22 creed I’m not gonna get as much out of it.

That’s true, but that’s also a hot/warm load in a 223 so I think you can easily get more out of it. You’ll be probably 200 fps slower for equal pressure with the 88s which in the end makes them end up fairly close to each other

 

[TradLife406]

Buddy sent me a pic of a stud bull he shot with the 85.5. Said it went down in five seconds. Didn't mention the shot distance.

Yeah the 77's aren't very impressive on the dope card.

 

[TradLife406]

Just ordered up some 90 VLDs...

Anyone have experience with these on game?

Maybe tag [mention]Formidilosus [/mention]
I know the tmk and eldms have a solid track record.

Is there even a difference between hunting and target Bergers? I think Berger said there's a jacket thickness difference. Listening to a Form podcast the other day and I believe he said it's just the label.
I really liked how Bergers did for me on whitetails last year. Sample size of about eight. Using 6.5's 140 and 156.
Only had one doe with the 156 run off without any blood. 2-3" behind the shoulder at about 250 yards. Went about 100 yards and fell over. Everything else either dropped instantly or one doe went for a death run but left a ton of blood.


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