Telepathy - truth or science fiction?

Why read peer reviewed data when I’m reading info from the drs themselves?
Did you vet those Dr.'s in any way or are you just taking what they say as truth because they have Dr. in front of their name?
The study is dated - 12/3/24 - if it's such a revelation, why no coverage of this, or back and forth among arguing scientists via letters to the editor, etc.?
Maybe it's because:

"No evidence has been found to suggest DNA fragments used in the development of the coronavirus vaccine -- such as a portion of SV40’s DNA sequence -- are causing health problems in people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine.".

Many will tell us big pharma is quashing the information. Time will tell I suppose.

Edit: Is Pfizer denying it's in there or have they just stated the above? This isn't breaking news as it's been around awhile now.

Edit: Oh, wait!

"Pfizer, in an emailed statement, stressed that the use of the SV40 sequence is common practice in developing vaccines, including the influenza and hepatitis shots that have been administered globally for decades."
 
You could click the link with Kevin McKernan and listen to him talk about finding sv40 in the Covid jab instead of digging through a dense article. I mean, he is the guy. He found it. Genomics is his expertise. And it was by pure luck that he found it. It’s quite an interesting story to be honest.


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You do your research your way, I do mine my own way. The fact that the study is dense doesn't mean I can't tackle it. I just need to devote some time to it. Listening to someone talk about something isn't the way I want to learn for two reasons. First, I'd rather read. Second, I don't know that guy, and while he might be the world's leading expert on something (which I'd have to verify and vet myself), he's still talking about something (I presume) - a study that is actually available for reading.
 
So I skimmed the study. It says the SV40 fragments are in there. Pfizer admits they are in there. Pfizer says they’ve used it more than once in a vaccine. No one has any data to say that those fragments cause any problems when in a vaccine. Until someone comes up with a valid study to say otherwise (it's bad for you) then it’s another conspiracy theory nothing burger. But hey we (I) knew that already. Imma dope for even spending more than one second on the subject :ROFLMAO:
 
Why read peer reviewed data when I’m reading info from the drs themselves?

So you dont trust doctors. But then a doctor says something you like and then you immediately default to an appeal to authority arguing to blindly trust those doctors with no evidence. But to do that you ignore millions of other doctors, because you cant trust doctors.

Think this argument through real slowly and carefully.
 
You do your research your way, I do mine my own way. The fact that the study is dense doesn't mean I can't tackle it. I just need to devote some time to it. Listening to someone talk about something isn't the way I want to learn for two reasons. First, I'd rather read. Second, I don't know that guy, and while he might be the world's leading expert on something (which I'd have to verify and vet myself), he's still talking about something (I presume) - a study that is actually available for reading.

My apologies, I wasn’t suggesting it’s too dense for you to read/understand. I was suggesting that the link was of the dr that discovered sv40 speak about it.


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So you dont trust doctors. But then a doctor says something you like and then you immediately default to an appeal to authority arguing to blindly trust those doctors with no evidence. But to do that you ignore millions of other doctors, because you cant trust doctors.

Think this argument through real slowly and carefully.

I don’t trust doctors that are still promoting a vaccine that has definitive evidence showing it causes a plethora of side effects including 30 or 40 THOUSAND deaths as reported to VEARS. I don’t support Dr’s that suggest injecting babies with vaccines that have heavy metal levels far above and beyond what is suggested safe. I don’t support Dr’s that push pharmaceuticals for the kick backs.

I will support a Dr that has zero hesitation calling out anyone and everyone that is allowing the above to continue to occur. Including the current administration. Speaking of which, RFK jr sure has been silent lately…. I wonder why he all of a sudden quit talking about big pharma and now is going after the food industry.


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I don’t trust doctors that are still promoting a vaccine that has definitive evidence showing it causes a plethora of side effects including 30 or 40 THOUSAND deaths as reported to VEARS. I don’t support Dr’s that suggest injecting babies with vaccines that have heavy metal levels far above and beyond what is suggested safe. I don’t support Dr’s that push pharmaceuticals for the kick backs.

I will support a Dr that has zero hesitation calling out anyone and everyone that is allowing the above to continue to occur. Including the current administration. Speaking of which, RFK jr sure has been silent lately…. I wonder why he all of a sudden quit talking about big pharma and now is going after the food industry.


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Im good with your first point (some of it at least) but your second point should be causing cognitive dissonance. Cant blindly appeal to authority arguing “trust them because they are doctors” while simultaneously saying most doctors cant be trusted.
 
Im good with your first point (some of it at least) but your second point should be causing cognitive dissonance. Cant blindly appeal to authority arguing “trust them because they are doctors” while simultaneously saying most doctors cant be trusted.

If a Dr has been censored, deplatformed, threatened to or actually had their medical license revoked, slandered by the media and big pharma, and had their careers destroyed for speaking out against Covid and the child hood immunization schedule then it’s probably bc they are directly over the target. They might be the Dr’s that we may want to listen to. At least, from my experience. That’s a hell of a hill to die on considering they are risking everything and giving up most.

I trust them bc they have proven through words and actions that they can be trusted. Dr Bowden is from the area where I live. Houston Methodist is still trying to sue her for sending her nurse to administer ivermectin to a patient that was told to be put on hospice due to COVID. After a failed appeal from the hospital (yes the hospital appealed to block her from administering the medication after a ruling that she had standing) she was able to treat and prevent the patient from dying. This patient was one of over 6,000 patients she treated and not a single one died from Covid. She and other doctors had ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies taken away AFTER both showed high incidences for recovery.

FYI, i know people that work for Methodist in Houston. They were forced to “comply” or lose their careers even after submitting religious exemption. Methodist was where the vaccine mandate started…

When you stop thinking about hospitals as health care and start realizing they care about business and profit first and foremost you realize that, overall, the healthcare system in this country is beyond broken. (Saw that first hand myself as a nurse)

We are treated with a disease maintenance mindset and NOT a disease prevention mind set. Why? Because sick people are not profitable.

Now, you can dig into the connection with big pharma and big ag and see how one hand washes the other if you want. I’ve gone down that rabbit hole and have seen what’s in wonderland and it’s more than enough for me. My #1 goal is to put myself in a financial situation that affords me the ability to get away from any city or large town. I’m 39 years old and I have had enough of society. I’m done with the city I live in, the county I live in, my BULL**** fake state government, and every single aspect of the federal government regardless of their stated political party (it’s all one uniparty). I’m over it. I just hope I can wake up as many people as I can in the mean time.


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If a Dr has been censored, deplatformed, threatened to or actually had their medical license revoked, slandered by the media and big pharma, and had their careers destroyed for speaking out against Covid and the child hood immunization schedule then it’s probably bc they are directly over the target. They might be the Dr’s that we may want to listen to. At least, from my experience. That’s a hell of a hill to die on considering they are risking everything and giving up most.

I trust them bc they have proven through words and actions that they can be trusted. Dr Bowden is from the area where I live. Houston Methodist is still trying to sue her for sending her nurse to administer ivermectin to a patient that was told to be put on hospice due to COVID. After a failed appeal from the hospital (yes the hospital appealed to block her from administering the medication after a ruling that she had standing) she was able to treat and prevent the patient from dying. This patient was one of over 6,000 patients she treated and not a single one died from Covid. She and other doctors had ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies taken away AFTER both showed high incidences for recovery.

FYI, i know people that work for Methodist in Houston. They were forced to “comply” or lose their careers even after submitting religious exemption. Methodist was where the vaccine mandate started…

When you stop thinking about hospitals as health care and start realizing they care about business and profit first and foremost you realize that, overall, the healthcare system in this country is beyond broken. (Saw that first hand myself as a nurse)

We are treated with a disease maintenance mindset and NOT a disease prevention mind set. Why? Because sick people are not profitable.

Now, you can dig into the connection with big pharma and big ag and see how one hand washes the other if you want. I’ve gone down that rabbit hole and have seen what’s in wonderland and it’s more than enough for me. My #1 goal is to put myself in a financial situation that affords me the ability to get away from any city or large town. I’m 39 years old and I have had enough of society. I’m done with the city I live in, the county I live in, my BULL**** fake state government, and every single aspect of the federal government regardless of their stated political party (it’s all one uniparty). I’m over it. I just hope I can wake up as many people as I can in the mean time.


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Missing my point entirely. I actually agree with you on a bunch of things. My points was this statement “Why read peer reviewed data when I’m reading info from the drs themselves?” is not only an appeal to authority but to an authority you say is un trustworthy. Your case you just made of why you trust THAT doctor is reasonable, saying “because they are a doctor” is contradictory.
 
Summary of my discussion of fwafwow’s linked study with a research scientist:

DNA fragments do not do anything negative in a vaccine. I quote “fragments don’t mean squat. They might as well be Ebola virus fragments. RNA/DNA don’t operate as gene fragments”. His concern there though is it may be possible that a very small number of immunocompromised individuals might (might is a big keyword) have an issue, a negative immune response to the fragment itself but not because it has anything to do with SV40. That’s just a pondering on his part.

The study showed a contaminant that might (again might) be an issue. I quote “But, one of their concerns seems legit, that regardless of function [my addition], there is a spec for exogenous nucleic acid contamination of < 10ng per x, and it looks as if their testing reveals far more than that present.”. What that might mean (as far as being bad) is up for debate.
 
That’s a hell of a hill to die on considering they are risking everything and giving up most.
But they aren’t. There’s tons of gullible folks eating up their content.

There’s lots of logical fallacies in your argument, not to mention a plethora of research that clearly contradicts the points you’re making.

People are asking you to read peer reviewed data so that you can learn to think critically instead of trusting opinion pieces from quacks.
 
But they aren’t. There’s tons of gullible folks eating up their content.

There’s lots of logical fallacies in your argument, not to mention a plethora of research that clearly contradicts the points you’re making.

People are asking you to read peer reviewed data so that you can learn to think critically instead of trusting opinion pieces from quacks.




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Ugh - that article was pretty painful to read. Maybe I'm an idiot, but it took me a while to find a single study (if there are others, please post them up - I got tired of looking).

Here's one - https://publichealthpolicyjournal.c...including-an-sv40-promoter-enhancer-sequence/



Phew! So it wasn’t just me. I went through it, or was trying to make sense of it. Then I got to the study (via a link buried in the text below one of those YT videos). Glad it wasn’t just me.

Then I concede that the study seemed a bit technically dense (for me) and had to take a break.

Maybe the study is really interesting and was done well - it’s too early for me to tell. But the messaging (and messengers) aren’t doing it any favors

Hmmm. Why didn’t you post this one?



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Hmmm. Why didn’t you post this one?



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1) The lead author peddles supplements online, including “detox” ones.

2) That journal has a low IF.

3) The publication is poor and cites dubious data from VAERS.


Again, use critical thinking.

Edit: I said I wasn’t going to keep engaging but I got sucked into the nonsense yet again. Going to go ahead and Unwatch this thread now.
 
Ugh - that article was pretty painful to read. Maybe I'm an idiot, but it took me a while to find a single study (if there are others, please post them up - I got tired of looking).

Here's one - https://publichealthpolicyjournal.c...including-an-sv40-promoter-enhancer-sequence/



Phew! So it wasn’t just me. I went through it, or was trying to make sense of it. Then I got to the study (via a link buried in the text below one of those YT videos). Glad it wasn’t just me.

Then I concede that the study seemed a bit technically dense (for me) and had to take a break.

Maybe the study is really interesting and was done well - it’s too early for me to tell. But the messaging (and messengers) aren’t doing it any favors

Hmm. How about this one?


Wanna know what a major cause is for all of those complications resulting in death listed under conclusion? An obstruction. Wanna know what was reported as a side effect shortly after the vaccine rolled out? Extremely large and fibrous clotting. Maybe search for a video and see for yourself. Videos of clots being pulled out that are feet long. Or, multiple clots being removed from the circulatory system.

I do like how you pick one peer reviewed article that basically backs up my claim that sv40 was found in the vaccine. And I give the article credit it does state that it isn’t the entire vaccine but the promoter which helps reach the nucleus. But you left out the part where Pfizer withheld that information and never disclosed it and had it not been for Dr Kevin McKernan we wouldn’t even know about it. Maybe you are unaware of that bit of information regarding disclosure. So why didnt they disclose that information, especially, if it’s safe? Why is the vaccine still on the schedule after 30-40 thousand deaths (that number is grossly under reported. Please read above article for decrease of autopsies during COVID)? Why are we giving it to kids when it’s harmful to pregnant women? Why wasn’t it pulled when it was proven to cause blood clots, myocarditis, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, strokes, seizures, and death? So, what if the sv40 promoter is safe and effective? The shot clearly isn’t. So. Why? (I have a working theory but it spans several decades and multiple administrations and would take entirely way too long to type. It took me years to formulate this theory through following a lot of independent journalists, reading a lot, and connecting a lot of dots but ultimately leads to greed or evil, or both)

You see, I don’t really have faith in today’s society. And I don’t fully trust anyone (govt, medical, etc) Once you’ve learned that most of history was a complete lie and those same people get up every day and continue to lie to you, you see the world for what it is and you’re not able put the genie back in the bottle. If you step back and look at the situation with a 100,000 ft view you can see the big picture. And if you dig enough into history and the finite details you will see that it’s the same game plans being ran again that have been used before. The big difference is a lot of people aren’t falling for it again. You know, that whole fool me once saying.

History is written by the victors. But the good guys don’t always win. And the more you dig you realize that the good guys haven’t won in a very long time. I could go on and on about a lot of stuff that’s being brought to light but this is not the time nor place. Like i said in an earlier post, I’ve had enough. Live and let live and hopefully one day, if we are all so fortunate, the craziness will be over.


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1) The lead author peddles supplements online, including “detox” ones.

2) That journal has a low IF.

3) The publication is poor and cites dubious data from VAERS.


Again, use critical thinking.

Edit: I said I wasn’t going to keep engaging but I got sucked into the nonsense yet again. Going to go ahead and Unwatch this thread now.

Dubious data from vears….. that’s all I need to know. You over played your card. You can’t be taken serious.


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I dated a girl once that could predict what was going to happen many minutes before it happened -- that was 46 years ago -- long before cell phones! Once we were playing cards at my brothers house when she silently got up from the table and walked outside holding her head. I went outside and asked what was wrong and she said her younger brother was calling for her. Her younger brother was at her home 15 miles away! When we got there we saw that her father had gotten drunk, overturned the kitchen table in a rage at his wife and her younger brother had been in the living room frantically screaming for his sister - my girlfriend! Other things happened too that made me firmly believe in telepathy!
 
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