They are on the shelf in the regular lite and stainless models with 8 twist. Not sure about the embers, but T the price they are charging for those would look towards Sako anyways.I've been wanting to get one of the newer model # T3x ember roughtechs, which is spec'd on their site with a 1:8. Do you know if that's legit, or just a mistake on the site? I found a 20" as the model # with supposed 1:8 twist, but it's listed at $600 over retail.