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No. If people are sensitive or say (post) stupid things, he calls people out. We don’t agree on everything, but I find the more people shoot and kill, the less we disagree… It only took me a few weeks to get @Ryan Avery off the MOA train and step into the dark side.
And to think Stick used to be a Leupold shill.
 
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Yep. I remember when the 3.5-10 used to be the scope de jour. And don't forget Talley LW's.

I don't judge to harshly. I was similarly afflicted at one time.
And for those that would dare to question the quality of Leupold and Talley's there were harsh words for them. He was 100% certain that he was right, and that they were couch dwelling pretenders. Chortle.
 

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Why is he throwing his rifle around like some kind of child throwing a tantrum? I can also hit a 10 foot by 10 foot steel wall at "900 yards". Is this satire?
 
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Why is he throwing his rifle around like some kind of child throwing a tantrum? I can also hit a 10 foot by 10 foot steel wall at "900 yards". Is this satire?
Can't answer your question honestly because I don't personally know the guy in the video and haven't interacted with him online. I look at videos like that as comedic relief or an anti meth commercial.
 
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Why is he throwing his rifle around like some kind of child throwing a tantrum? I can also hit a 10 foot by 10 foot steel wall at "900 yards". Is this satire?
No doubt. Humility doesn't really seem to be BS's thing. At least on line. Maybe in person he's more affable?

Again, I won't judge too harshly. Was a time when I, too, was waving the flag for Talley LW's and Leupolds. And, like BS and others, I eventually experienced multiple failures with both and had to eat a lot of crow from those who tried to tell me any different and from those I recommended those products to.
 
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Since when are Talley LWs no good? I didn't know they were on the same plane as Leupold
At one point I had about a dozen sets in service. I had a couple sets crack where the ring screws fit. One was a top strap, another bottom cracked where the screws thread into. I had moved away from them before I noticed the damage. Some sets had rather poor base to receiver fit, and some were poorly aligned with each other on actions where other bases were aligned. Also, for a long time they were designed to be egg shaped, wherein the scope would actually push them into round. Some have good results with them, but they are meticulous about mounting, as in they bed the bases and lap the rings.

It's been awhile since I used a set, so perhaps they've gotten better? To me there's much better made and, by extension, more robust options out there. Burris Signature and XTR rings with live centers are usually my first choice. They easily cure a lot of evils as far as scope mounting, they grip a scope exceedingly well without leaving marks, and inclination can easily be added.
 

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Since when are Talley LWs no good? I didn't know they were on the same plane as Leupold

Quite a while. I’ve personally seen 7 or 8 with cracks. First one was probably 2011’ish probably.
 

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I’ve seen several distinguished marksmen call him out to compete with them. Never once have I seen him “oblige” them. Several know as much as him, all less arrogant.
Who? John Burns? LOL
 
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Who? John Burns?

Burns is still burning the candle for Gold Rings.

I've always liked Burns well enough and respect what he's done in shooting and in business, but he's definitely getting used-car-salesman-esque with peddling Leupolds. Tries hard to marginalize any one who states they've had trouble with them; calls it Leupold Derangement Syndrome (LDS). I get it. He sells them and has a vested interest in trying to salvage thier reputation, but it is comical how he continually plays it that they don't have widely experienced and well documented issues. I wish I'd have sent him a couple that I had trouble with to check over before sending them back to Beaverton.
 
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