Suppressor considerations

[ID_Matt]

Not sure where I am going with this thread, more just conversation than anything. I have noticed when we discuss different suppressors on here that our main considerations are length, weight, and sound suppression but never really talk about recoil impulse. A large amount of firearm talk on here is related to switching to smaller cartridges for the recoil/shootability aspect.

How come there is not more talk about recoil reduction/impulse in a suppressor? I have a handful of suppressors myself, but always found myself gravitating towards my omega 30 with the end brake because it is so nice to shoot with that brake on the end. Recently got the Scythe TI and have been experimenting with the omega brake on it (pic for attention attached). I think it has become my new favorite. Also have one of the new magnus RR's coming with the brake on the end that I am excited to compare.

I think for hunters, wouldn't it make sense to give up a little bit of sound suppression for more recoil reduction? I mean if a braked suppressor takes the recoil down a notch compared to a non-braked suppressor while still remaining ear safe for a few shots does that open up the scenario where you could get away with a bigger cartridge than you maybe could before? Seems like a win-win.

 

[Formidilosus]

Not sure where I am going with this thread, more just conversation than anything. I have noticed when we discuss different suppressors on here that our main considerations are length, weight, and sound suppression but never really talk about recoil impulse. A large amount of firearm talk on here is related to switching to smaller cartridges for the recoil/shootability aspect.

How come there is not more talk about recoil reduction/impulse in a suppressor? I have a handful of suppressors myself, but always found myself gravitating towards my omega 30 with the end brake because it is so nice to shoot with that brake on the end. Recently got the Scythe TI and have been experimenting with the omega brake on it (pic for attention attached). I think it has become my new favorite. Also have one of the new magnus RR's coming with the brake on the end that I am excited to compare.

I think for hunters, wouldn't it make sense to give up a little bit of sound suppression for more recoil reduction? I mean if a braked suppressor takes the recoil down a notch compared to a non-braked suppressor while still remaining ear safe for a few shots does that open up the scenario where you could get away with a bigger cartridge than you maybe could before? Seems like a win-win.

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The issue is that with obstacles, and the ground in front, the braked ones that I have seen/used are quite a bit louder- and they’re louder in front of the gun. On top of pure db reduction, the “tone” is quite a bit harsher- much more of a “crack” than nonbraked ones.

Better than a muzzle brake? Yes. But their drawbacks are still there. For very heavy recoiling guns (30ft-lbs ish) they can be a viable solution.

 

[wind gypsy]

Not sure where I am going with this thread, more just conversation than anything. I have noticed when we discuss different suppressors on here that our main considerations are length, weight, and sound suppression but never really talk about recoil impulse. A large amount of firearm talk on here is related to switching to smaller cartridges for the recoil/shootability aspect.

How come there is not more talk about recoil reduction/impulse in a suppressor? I have a handful of suppressors myself, but always found myself gravitating towards my omega 30 with the end brake because it is so nice to shoot with that brake on the end. Recently got the Scythe TI and have been experimenting with the omega brake on it (pic for attention attached). I think it has become my new favorite. Also have one of the new magnus RR's coming with the brake on the end that I am excited to compare.

I think for hunters, wouldn't it make sense to give up a little bit of sound suppression for more recoil reduction? I mean if a braked suppressor takes the recoil down a notch compared to a non-braked suppressor while still remaining ear safe for a few shots does that open up the scenario where you could get away with a bigger cartridge than you maybe could before? Seems like a win-win.

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Only reason I dont use the 3 port anchor brake on my scythe for hunting is it'd be a PITA to seal up with tape vs a flat cap. It adds a lot of area that can grab debris and snow. I do like shooting with it and it's still a lot quieter than bare muzzle.

 

[Lawnboi]

I think it really depends what one is willing to accept.

No ear pro

Situation where I’m taking a shot bare muzzle? I’ll probably shoot.

Situation where I’m taking a shot with a brake? I’m not shooting.

Suppressor that does nearly what a brake does with slightly quieter than bare muzzle db? I’m going to shoot.

I have a Magnus K RR and can say it’s not terribly loud on a 3006, but it does make the recoil that of a 6.5cm with a 7” non braked suppressor.

I think they will have their place. I want a full size Magnus RR something bad, thinking 14lb 7prc or 300 Norma as a dedicated long range rifle.

I think brakes on suppressors are in their infancy and we will see a lot more.

I’ll have a lot more to say by the end of the year. The Magnus with the brake is new to me still.

 

[ID_Matt]

I think it really depends what one is willing to accept.

I have a Magnus K RR and can say it’s not terribly loud on a 3006, but it does make the recoil that of a 6.5cm with a 7” non braked suppressor.

This is where I'm at. At this point, I am ok giving up a bit of sound suppression for the recoil reduction. I always have ear pro on when I am shooting for practice or competition (unless I am shooting my full size magnus). Assuming I will be OK for a shot or 2 and no ear pro with a suppressor.

I don't know the numbers but it sure makes a guy think. If one could get 22 arc suppressed recoil out of a 22 creed braked suppressed or 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 CM, etc. those are pretty substantial steps up in ballistic performance.

 

[stan_wa]

I’ve got a six Creedmoor and a 28 Nosler as my two hunting cartridges and the main reason I don’t have a suppressor yet is that I am of the opinion the 28 Nosler and a 9 pound package will be too difficult to spot impacts with the suppressor I got a couple buddies who have similar set ups and have confirmed But if it was possible to use the break on the end of the suppressor when I’m shooting the 28 and just a suppressor on the six creed that would be very intriguing for me. I am in the process of shooting them both side-by-side and trying to convince myself that overall I like the smaller caliber better but I’m not yet convinced in the testing … continues.

I know someone is likely to respond with something along the lines of just don’t shoot the magnum anymore and except the six is good enough lol so ill
Say I’m Having a hard time, convincing myself that I want to give up on the 28 altogether a 10 mph gun for the six creed a 6 mph Gun.

 

[Tmac]

My #1 is to protect my ears, next is not making my rifle unwieldy due to length weight or balance. Any recoil reduction is a pleasant bonus. I have always shot mild cartridges, so any can makes them a pussy cat recoil wise.

 

[Lawnboi]

According to Tbac numbers:

U7 with 300wm 132db at shooters ear, 8% recoil reduction

Magnus RR 300wm 135db at shooters ear, 63% recoil reduction

Granted one is small and light and the other not, I can design a rifle around that though.

 

[jk_minn]

Just got the Magnus S-RR, so no feedback on that yet. I can say there is a difference between the 3 port and single port break on the scythe - how noticeable is another question. I haven’t tried to measure reticle movement differences between the two.

I will say that since getting my first suppressor, I can’t stop. So much more enjoyable to shoot when you can avoid the concussion of a muzzle break. Really anxious to see how the Magnus S-RR works on some larger cartridges.

 

[BrentH]

According to Tbac numbers:

U7 with 300wm 132db at shooters ear, 8% recoil reduction

Magnus RR 300wm 135db at shooters ear, 63% recoil reduction

Granted one is small and light and the other not, I can design a rifle around that though.

I am currently waiting on my full size Magnus (not RR). It is going on a 9ish pound 6.5 PRC. Was previously using a TiPro 4 port brake on it. Trying to figure out what to expect recoil wise with the change, but can’t find much for numbers. Any idea what I should be expecting?

 

[Lawnboi]

I am currently waiting on my full size Magnus (not RR). It is going on a 9ish pound 6.5 PRC. Was previously using a TiPro 4 port brake on it. Trying to figure out what to expect recoil wise with the change, but can’t find much for numbers. Any idea what I should be expecting?

I don’t have a prc, but on my 3006 burning similar powder with a heavier bullet the Magnus was tolerable, like could shoot all day tolerable, but spotting shots positional oh was basically out of the question. Prone no issues.

It’s an awesome suppressor, initially I didn’t like the size or weight but it is very nice to have a suppressor that is that quiet.

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

I chose to use a cartridge with low recoil and a suppressor to suppress sound.

I don't shoot elr so a large 30 + cal isn't a need for me. Thus no need for a braked suppressor.

Very excited to see the UM suppressor(s?)