Suppressor advancements

[fwafwow]

There’s a joke in there…. But that sucks. Checking clearance is a smart thing to do regardless.

Well played!

It did suck - a separate thread’s worth of suck. The lesson I learned is that even a prominent RS sponsor can have horrendous “customer support” and the suppressor manufacturer is probably better equipped to thread a barrel than the rifle manufacturer.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well played!

It did suck - a separate thread’s worth of suck. The lesson I learned is that even a prominent RS sponsor can have horrendous “customer support” and the suppressor manufacturer is probably better equipped to thread a barrel than the rifle manufacturer.

I generally trust European and Scandinavian manufacturers, and the gunsmith I use. Everyone- everything else, is suspect.

 

[Wrench]

Well played!

It did suck - a separate thread’s worth of suck. The lesson I learned is that even a prominent RS sponsor can have horrendous “customer support” and the suppressor manufacturer is probably better equipped to thread a barrel than the rifle manufacturer.

There's a lot more to cutting a tennon correctly than most guys would imagine.

You can get pretty close on centers which is going to mean tooling swaps, you can get close enough for a crown in a collet chuck.....but when you start playing with threading one surface that has to follow en entirely different surface....it's a half hour deal vs 10 seconds in the collet....but it's the only right way.

 

[chutinlead]

I wonder if those 3d printed cans can be repaired/recored. They are getting popular now someone has to have had a baffle strike

The 3d printed ones are usually built up off a machined base that is the threaded end. From there, they screw them onto fixtures inside an EDM machine and cut the bore perfectly concentric to the threads.

 

[fwafwow]

There's a lot more to cutting a tennon correctly than most guys would imagine.

You can get pretty close on centers which is going to mean tooling swaps, you can get close enough for a crown in a collet chuck.....but when you start playing with threading one surface that has to follow en entirely different surface....it's a half hour deal vs 10 seconds in the collet....but it's the only right way.

If it were the complexities that caused the result, I would (or perhaps could) understand. In my situation they chose to change the specs between the first and second rifle threadings…. One rifle is fine. The other wasn’t - hence the baffle strike.

 

[Spindrift]

I think we’ll see advancements in heat dispersal and weight. Maybe a carbon/ceramic composite of some sort?


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[Formidilosus]

They can already be ridiculously light. The issue is because of the tax stamp, Americans believe every can needs to be full auto rated with a 60,000 round life span.

 

[z987k]

They can already be ridiculously light. The issue is because of the tax stamp, Americans believe every can needs to be full auto rated with a 60,000 round life span.

They do make more hunting oriented suppressors that are a lot lighter and not full auto rated. Usually all aluminum and titanium.
I too am waiting on the magnesium, carbon and ceramic cans to come. Though honestly, I doubt carbon can actually drop weight over a thin metal. Just like with barrels, if you're looking for the lightest, it's steel, not carbon.

 

[z987k]

Yes and no. Mainly over the barrel/reflex cans aren’t popular here because Americans are ignorant of suppressors. A reflex can that is 4” in front and 4” reflexed (8 inches total, but only 4” added to OAL) isn’t as quiet (“efficient”) as an 8 inch can in front of the muzzle (8 inches added to OAL). But it can be about as quiet as a 6” standard can. 2 ounces more weight to save 2” of overall length is a very good trade off.

I think the issue is more than everyone wants the absolute quietest can. Or did for a good while. And that means more baffles, not reflex. For keeping a couple more inches on the barrel and the overall length shorter for hunting purposes, then there's a compromise to be made, and I'd agree the reflex is well worth it over 9" sticking off the end.
I know AB supressor makes a prettry good looking can with optional reflex. Does anyone else?

 

[Formidilosus]

I think the issue is more than everyone wants the absolute quietest can. Or did for a good while. And that means more baffles, not reflex. For keeping a couple more inches on the barrel and the overall length shorter for hunting purposes, then there's a compromise to be made, and I'd agree the reflex is well worth it over 9" sticking off the end.
I know AB supressor makes a prettry good looking can with optional reflex. Does anyone else?

Tons of them…. In other countries. There are a few in the US but not many modern OTB cans.

 

[RS_Non-Res]

Not sure where I read this, but aren't some suppressors are designed to better minimize muzzle blast/noise, while others help minimize the noise coming out of the back end of a semi-auto? That's maybe a timing thing. That is, the can for the 300BO/AR is different than the can for the 30-cal bolt gun.

So the future is more-specifically designed cans for different purposes and different rifles, so that we have to buy more of them (or just call it improved marketing).

 

[MuleyFever]

Tons of them…. In other countries. There are a few in the US but not many modern OTB cans.

I have noticed this on other forums where Europeans post more. It seems like half or more use a reflex design.

 

[kthomas]

Right, that’s the advancement I want to see - better reflexes.

From a physics standpoint, its probably difficult to make propellant gases go backwards, hence the inefficiency of that design. Suppressor volume behind the bore just isn't going to be as effective as volume ahead of the bore. Likewise, I believe that's why longer suppressors are more effective than shorter and "fatter" ones of the same volume (all else equal).

However, you may like the GA Precision Jager suppressor, if you haven't already seen it.