Super curves

[roosiebull]

Why have super curves not gained traction in the hunting space? They seem like the perfect tool for the job on paper.

The only couple reasons I can assume is cost and forgiveness. I shot some Morrison max 6’s for awhile and they were awesome to shoot, but ended up selling them because they were very fickle for me…. Is that the reason people don’t shoot them? Because they are hard to shoot well?

If they were as forgiving as a standard recurve, it seems like a 45# super would be a great hunting bow, but basically nobody shoots them

 

[Beendare]

Good question.

I'm not an expert on them but I do own a set of Borders. I love the speed but I don't like carrying around those big hook limbs.

I know a couple guys that are world class archers who shot them for awhile...one guy still does. For guys like that they do seem to be a little bit less consistent/ repeatable. The one guy who still shoots them is hooked on the speed- they are noticably faster.

I had some Morrisons but couldn't get the quiet...and they had a weird vibration after the shot.....I think I tried to tell you that before you bought yours. Mine were one of the first iterations and maybe they have solved that- I dunno.

The Borders are quieter...but not almost silent like my others....and they have a little bit of that after shot vibration but not much and not enough to bother me. I need to play with mine some more.....

 

[knuckleball]

I've owned a Border Covert Hunter in bolt down. In ILF I've had, Hex 8, CV9, and Morrison Max 6. They were all fun to shoot for awhile but I could never get as consistent as I would like with them due to the spongy feel at full draw. I hear some shooters say the sweet spot for them was the Border Hex 6, wish Border still offered those.
The two bows I own now have a set of older Samick BF Extreme's on one and a set of Uukha VX+ on the other. The Uukha VX+ are the best limbs I've ever shot. My 3D scores improved vastly with these two setups.

 

[Ozarkansas]

If they were as forgiving as a standard recurve, it seems like a 45# super would be a great hunting bow, but basically nobody shoots them

I shoot a Timberghost G3SS (supercurve) and a Predator Hunter DX (traditional recurve) and the Predator is so much more forgiving that it gets tapped for almost every hunt I do. It’s also night-and-day different in how easy it is to tune.

I can’t get consistent good broadhead flight out of my timberghost without a clicker or at least a grip sear, it’s just incredibly picky and won’t give me good flight unless my release is 10/10 perfect.

Meanwhile I can bareshaft pretty much any arrow I find out of my predator and as long as it’s not significantly stiff I’ll be able to hunt with it

 

[bisblue]

I shot a few, although it's been a while.

Fast, unforgiving and loud.....

 

[bowhuntercoop]

I shot a few, although it's been a while.

Fast, unforgiving and loud.....

Yeppp my experience as well.

Interesting last summer South talked me outta super curves for those reason and I went with his static tip for my custom limbs. Still smitten with em.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

The real fast super curves also have a reputation for being less… bomb proof.

Speed always comes at a cost. I’d love to test out some super curves. But when it’s time to hunt, I will always take my dead silent, very forgiving, 50lb longbow that’s pushing 525 gr arrows at 175fps. There’s no amount of speed that will make up for a less forgiving, louder bow. Especially if I have to baby the limbs through brush for fear of an exploded bow.

 

[roosiebull]

Good question.

I'm not an expert on them but I do own a set of Borders. I love the speed but I don't like carrying around those big hook limbs.

I know a couple guys that are world class archers who shot them for awhile...one guy still does. For guys like that they do seem to be a little bit less consistent/ repeatable. The one guy who still shoots them is hooked on the speed- they are noticably faster.

I had some Morrisons but couldn't get the quiet...and they had a weird vibration after the shot.....I think I tried to tell you that before you bought yours. Mine were one of the first iterations and maybe they have solved that- I dunno.

The Borders are quieter...but not almost silent like my others....and they have a little bit of that after shot vibration but not much and not enough to bother me. I need to play with mine some more.....

I remember you telling me your experience before I bought my maxx 6’s, but when I get something like that in my head I have to try it or it will bug me until I do

They were fun to shoot, but very fickle compared to my blacktail or stalker, and it sounds like that’s the general consensus, I was just curious if my perspective was accurate

 

[Beendare]

I remember you telling me your experience before I bought my maxx 6’s, but when I get something like that in my head I have to try it or it will bug me until I do

I'm the same.

I shot with group of Top shooters at the trad nationals years ago and a couple had super curve limbs. They liked them at the time...but then a few years later I shot with them again and they were back to a std limb profile.

The question is; Does the extra speed make up for the minor variations in shooting them?

I don't shoot well enough anymore to be able to differentiate those minor differences.

 

[TX_Diver]

Interesting…

I have a pair of 30lb trad tech blackmax 2.0 but no experience with Anything other than gobis in a “heavier” limb. I like them but the discussion on forgiveness has me thinking…

What are some traditional profile limbs that don’t stack much and do well at longer draws (30.5”)?

 

[roosiebull]

I'm the same.

I shot with group of Top shooters at the trad nationals years ago and a couple had super curve limbs. They liked them at the time...but then a few years later I shot with them again and they were back to a std limb profile.

The question is; Does the extra speed make up for the minor variations in shooting them?

I don't shoot well enough anymore to be able to differentiate those minor differences.

I guess what really interests me currently is a really smooth limb, I know that the supers are too fickle for me, and I don’t care about the extra speed, I just liked the zero stack that the super curves have

I’m considering selling my stalker and blacktail (52&54#) and getting either a high 40’s# widow or a P2P riser back to the ilf game, I don’t like shooting the volume i want to be shooting with 50+lbs, want a lighter bow with smooth drawing limbs

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

I guess what really interests me currently is a really smooth limb, I know that the supers are too fickle for me, and I don’t care about the extra speed, I just liked the zero stack that the super curves have

I’m considering selling my stalker and blacktail (52&54#) and getting either a high 40’s# widow or a P2P riser back to the ilf game, I don’t like shooting the volume i want to be shooting with 50+lbs, want a lighter bow with smooth drawing limbs

Go with ILF and increase the riser length by two inches. I have some WNS C3 limbs on a riser I made, and they’re really great limbs for not much cash. Definitely faster compared to my old black widow. At 66” overall length they’re smooth to 30” easily. In my case, with them mounted on the belly of the riser they’re smooth to 32” with no stack.

 

[roosiebull]

Go with ILF and increase the riser length by two inches. I have some WNS C3 limbs on a riser I made, and they’re really great limbs for not much cash. Definitely faster compared to my old black widow. At 66” overall length they’re smooth to 30” easily. In my case, with them mounted on the belly of the riser they’re smooth to 32” with no stack.

I do know that I’m objectively better off with ilf, but the less objective side of me likes pretty wood bows and classic looks

My 64” blacktail is such a pretty bow, but it’s heavier than my stalker so I don’t shoot it as much, and I like the stalker grip a little more, it’s going to be hard to move it along, but I think it’s time. I have 2 pretty bows now, and if I go to ilf, I will probably not. Pretty irrational dilemma, but a dilemma nonetheless

Widows are a classic looking bow and have a good reputation for being shooters, but I know ilf is more practical being able to shoot whatever and have light limbs for working on my shot in the off season, etc

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

I do know that I’m objectively better off with ilf, but the less objective side of me likes pretty wood bows and classic looks

My 64” blacktail is such a pretty bow, but it’s heavier than my stalker so I don’t shoot it as much, and I like the stalker grip a little more, it’s going to be hard to move it along, but I think it’s time. I have 2 pretty bows now, and if I go to ilf, I will probably not. Pretty irrational dilemma, but a dilemma nonetheless

Widows are a classic looking bow and have a good reputation for being shooters, but I know ilf is more practical being able to shoot whatever and have light limbs for working on my shot in the off season, etc

They don’t HAVE to be ugly… this one is homemade, but there are excellent 21” wood ILF risers out there.

Rossing Archery on FB makes some wild risers. I’m not sure who else makes them that long, but there’s gotta be at least a couple.

Edit to add Border to the list of pretty wood ILF risers longer than 19".

 

[ozyclint]

I have a Border Black Douglas with Hex6H BB2 limbs and a pair of Hex6.5H limbs on a Satori riser.
Love em