Suggestions for NW Compatible to shoot 200 yards

[whuppinstick]

I have been using a Knight Bighorn in Idaho, but feel I am capped out at about 75 yards as the front fiber optic dot covers the animal beyond that. I've been looking into the Gunwerks sight at the recommendation of a friend, who also recommended getting the CVA Accura LR-X (with a NW conversion kit). I was reading Jim's review of the Gunwerks sight, though, and he mounted it on a Bighorn to shoot to 200.
I bought the Bighorn a decade ago for a reasonable price and may have caught myself up into assuming that it wouldn't be good at distance because of how little I paid for it.
My question for the forum is whether the Bighorn is suitable for reliable accuracy at 200 yards? If not, what is your recommendation?

 

[Chris in TN]

You can get different sized apertures for the Williams sight and you can get different sized front beads. Beyond that, a large portion of your max effective range with open sights depends more on your personal eyesight than on what gadget you overpay for.

I say this as someone who'd struggle past 125 yards or so. If you're serious about going down this road, I'd suggest getting a .22lr trainer with a proper receiver rear sight and experiment with different front bead sizes and rear apertures and get a grasp on what YOU can do, with YOUR EYES, before you spend a bunch of money. But that's me and I'm cheap like that.

Also - shooting .22lr with a receiver rear sight is extremely fun, to me. So there's that.

 

[guitarpreston]

The GW sight is insanely priced and 100% not worth it. Human eyes can not see good enough to ethically shot THAT far. The Williams globe and a .019 got my knight out to 200 very repeatable for $1000 less. I’ve got a weird setup on my smokeless rifle that I can dial, however about the time I get to the end of my MPBR it’s getting hard to see.

 

[ElDiablito]

The GW sight is insanely priced and 100% not worth it. Human eyes can not see good enough to ethically shot THAT far. The Williams globe and a .019 got my knight out to 200 very repeatable for $1000 less. I’ve got a weird setup on my smokeless rifle that I can dial, however about the time I get to the end of my MPBR it’s getting hard to see.

+1

A Williams .019 fiber optic front globe and a good rear peep will do everything your eyes are capable of doing.

Anyone who wastes that kind of money on the Gunwerks Revic has got way more money than sense….

 

[whuppinstick]

Great feedback, thank you everybody. I didn't realize the Gunwerks sight was $1250. That's 5x the price of my gun haha. I already have the Williams rear peep so I'll get the front globe with the .019 fiber optic and see how far my eyes will get me.

 

[guitarpreston]

Ill be the first to admit, the GW sight is a neat concept and appealing. But not for the money, not even close.

 

[PNWMLB]

Great feedback, thank you everybody. I didn't realize the Gunwerks sight was $1250. That's 5x the price of my gun haha. I already have the Williams rear peep so I'll get the front globe with the .019 fiber optic and see how far my eyes will get me.

You may already have the Williams peep but usually it will require a higher base to be even with the front globe from my experience. I’d talk to Erik, the sight technician at Williams, to confirm and get everything you need.
PNWMLB

 

[mtnbound]

I have been using a Knight Bighorn in Idaho, but feel I am capped out at about 75 yards as the front fiber optic dot covers the animal beyond that. I've been looking into the Gunwerks sight at the recommendation of a friend, who also recommended getting the CVA Accura LR-X (with a NW conversion kit). I was reading Jim's review of the Gunwerks sight, though, and he mounted it on a Bighorn to shoot to 200.
I bought the Bighorn a decade ago for a reasonable price and may have caught myself up into assuming that it wouldn't be good at distance because of how little I paid for it.
My question for the forum is whether the Bighorn is suitable for reliable accuracy at 200 yards? If not, what is your recommendation?

200-yard accuracy with a muzz in a hunting environment is not an easy feat, even with a good peep sight. What are your groups like at 75y? What is your current load?

 

[tracker12]

Its more about the shooters ability at 200 yards than the gun. I have a White Super 91 that is capable of 3” groups at 200 yards with a scope. That group grows exponentially when I put on the Lyman SME with a globe front. Gun can still shoot 3” groups at that distance but not me with open sights.

 

[whuppinstick]

200-yard accuracy with a muzz in a hunting environment is not an easy feat, even with a good peep sight. What are your groups like at 75y? What is your current load?

At 75 my groups are a few inches, but I find it hard to be accurate with the stock front fiber optic. I feel limited not by my eyes but by that dot blocking out the target. I'm trying to learn to put the top of the dot on the top of my target but that's an inexact science.
As per the recommendations here, I've been talking to Eric at Williams and I'm going to try the .019" front fiber optic, but I will also experiment with the other inserts for the globe sight. I know they aren't good for low light, but I want to see what I can do in ideal light first.
I've been shooting No Excuses bullets but now that Idaho relaxed their restrictions I'm going to try some Hornady SST 300-grain bullets (per Eric's rec). Let me know if you have other recommendations or ideas.

 

[PNWMLB]

Personally, I’d stick with sized lead conicals. I have great luck with them. That’s just my preference though and something around 420 grains.

PNWMLB

 

[chicoredneck]

My advise is to be careful with peep sights. I have a Williams globe sight on my MZ. It gives a great sight picture in daylight. However, in actual hunting I found the sight didn’t let in enough light during those critical few minutes before sunrise and after sun down.

 

[ElDiablito]

My advise is to be careful with peep sights. I have a Williams globe sight on my MZ. It gives a great sight picture in daylight. However, in actual hunting I found the sight didn’t let in enough light during those critical few minutes before sunrise and after sun down.

Is the peep or the globe the issue? If it’s the peep, I’d remove the aperture in low light and use as a “ghost ring” or install a larger aperture.

 

[Kyle Wheeler]

The gunwerks sight is expensive but it is incredible.. Williams FP is a great option and the Hutte front globe is awesome.

 

[PNWMLB]

You can get a military grade red dot with night vision capabilities for the same price! That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me!

PNWMLB

 

[AntelopeEater]

I have an Accura LRX with Williams sights I can technically hit a large torso sized steel target at 200 yards with at the range I shoot at a lot, but under hunting conditions I think my realistic humane range with “iron sights” is more like 150 max, ideally within 100, my nearly half century old eyes are the limiting factor for me now, and I’ve tried different sights on not just muzzle loaders, but center fire rifles as well.

I’d also add that as another commented, the iron sights are especially hard to use far out around lowlight conditions like sunset or dusk, and I prefer my cheap Wolf muzzy with bright fiber optic buckhorn and blade with glowing dot sights for up to 100 yards in low light.

 

[Wrench]

 

[Wrench]

 

[Wrench]

I just use a williams target fp and a lyman front... as you can see above, it works. That's 300 yards.

 

[chicoredneck]

Is the peep or the globe the issue? If it’s the peep, I’d remove the aperture in low light and use as a “ghost ring” or install a larger aperture.

I haven’t shot it with just the globe, but removing the peep would let more light get to your eye for sure.